Trans woman murdered in Georgia, and an assault in England

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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/trans-model-killed-in-tbilisi-after-georgia-passes-law-imposing-lgbtq-restrictions/ar-AA1qTM6V

A trans woman was murdered in Georgia (the country), just after a "pro family" anti-LGBT bill was passed. The law bans same-sex marriage, gender-affirming treatments, pride books and events etc.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dangerous-far-teenagers-brutal-assault-171552704.html

In Swansea, England a trans girl was attacked in a park by a man "using marital art moves". It happened in May but has came to light now after his phone was searched by anti-terrorism officers. The attacker is far-right, glorifies acts of terrorism, is anti-immigration and yes homophobic and transphobic.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases? Do anti-LGBT laws and over-indulgence to online far-right material result in violence and people being hurt or killed?

A few lessons I think:

1. murder and violent attacks are horrific, no matter what the reason. I hope the family of the former and the survivor of the latter are getting support
2. it's a great reminder why we shouldn't bundle LGBT together. Unfortunately it attracts support from polarised extremes e.g. religious groups who are anti-gay throw their weight and funds behind laws which have piggy-backed on people's (unrelated) concerns about gender identity belief being pushed as truth on to vulnerable children and young people plus women (where the women who don't believe in gender identity are forced to share sports and spaces with transwomen who state that they are women).
3. a lot of this unhelpful forced-teaming happens in the UK when emotive words like "far right" and "anti-LGBT" are thrown around like this about US stories. The UK does not have the same influence from the religious right. Thoughts OP re lessons learned on your OP?
4. Swansea is not in England

'Authorities suspect that Abramidze's killer was her friend, and that he murdered her after an argument between the two before fleeing the scene.' https://www.advocate.com/crime/georgia-trans-woman-murder-kesaria-abramidze

So it doesn't look like the law change or any anti trans feelings incited violence in this case.

How awful. RIP.

The law change seems to be absolutely irrelevant. How disgusting of you to use this murder to try and further your political agenda. Shame on you.

Luckily we don't have anti-LGBT laws in the UK; legalising same sex marriage was one of the easiest politivcal moves the Coalition government made.

The lad in Swansea (not in England) sounds a thoroughly nasty piece of work with multiple previous convictions. I hope he serves the full ten years and prison is a reforming experience.

I think schools properly banning smartphones, with the support of most parents, could make a difference to teen attitudes to what they see and believe on the internet.

Correlation doesn't always equal causation.

Probably in most cases of a law being passed there is an attack on someone from a minority group that could be related to it but also could be random...because attacks happen all the time, so it's easy to see a link that's not necessarily there.

The rise of the far right is a big concern for everyone. Schools have training to spot children at risk.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases?

Men have a near monopoly on violent crime, so concerns about males in female spaces are well-founded?

Yes indeed.

Male violence is a global epidemic.

Although abhorrent, neither of what you have posted were caused by "anti-LGBT laws" being passed.

Although abhorrent, neither of what you have posted were caused by "anti-LGBT laws" being passed.

I know, it's bizarre, isn't it?

Is there any suggestion that the murder was motivated by anti-LGBT supporters? Was it a hate crime? Or was the murderer motivated by personal issues?
Some mighty leaps of logic in that article. Somebody needs to brush up on the differences between cause, co-relation and arbitrary.
I had a good chuckle at the idea that Mumsnet is somehow aligned with strange men in parks doing martial arts moves on unsuspecting passers-by several months ago. I think for there to be evidence of a connection, he’d need to be in a suffragette scarf and talking about Tunnocks cakes. Probably wouldn’t have been doing the martial arts in that case.

Yes. Learn that males are violent, and do something about it. Like keeping men out of women's spaces would be a good start.
A woman is murdered every ten minutes somewhere in the world.

Quite. Male violence is a scourge. Keep men out of women's spaces

I'm not sure if I'm meant to laugh or marvel at the intellectual leaps the OP made with their initial post. If the extracts pulled weren't so solemn, it would certainly be the former.

I can but hope they deploy their wonderfully fervent imagination with such vigor when trying to promote awareness of VAWG.

It's laugh @ANameChangePresents

This poster never learns. Never listens.

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There’s been no indication of what happened in the Georgia murder was anything to do with anti LGBT - it is an extrapolation at best until we have more info.

Not that that makes it less tragic ofcourse.

Horrible murders.
Violent males.
Far right ideology is appalling (including notions of "women are people who have certain personality traits") and yes, contributes to violence and aggression.

I'm assuming you have made up, as usual, the UK "anti LGBT law" you mention? Surely if you care about this kind of thing, accuracy is important?

(Swansea, England?)

Anti trans ideology and facism are becoming one and the same.

How many women were killed over the same weeks or months?

I didn't know that the murder in Georgia was by a friend of the victim. I read a misleading article by the BBC basically trying to claim that it was all down to a new law.

I have no idea what far-right means any more. Knowing the difference between men and women is enough to be far-right these days.

Funny thing, I went out with a few lads from that area, many years ago. It wasn’t a hotbed of diversity and tolerance back then, to be honest.

I don’t think feminists are ever the cause of male violence.

Terrible crimes, carried out by men on other men.

Somehow it must be womens' fault.

oh oh oh i know what the reply is here.

2 women (at least) are killed every week in England and Wales. Why aren't you writing about that, OP?

ETA: all violence and murder is abhorrent. I want to highlight what happens on literaly every thread talking about Male VAWAG