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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oh Ms Rowling you are baad

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RaspberryParade · 18/09/2024 04:58

Sliced and diced by their own guillotine😂
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RainWithSunnySpells · 20/09/2024 08:43

Christin, as I didn't even know the technical name (this demonstrates my lack of having anything to do with the logistics of forum creation/running), what on Earth makes you think that I could add your hilariously daft comment to it?

Just in case anyone is wondering if they too can achieve my amazing in depth knowledge levels of knowing that a bloke calls Null runs the Farms, you can watch Benjamin Boyce's interview with said bloke on youtube. You will then know as much as me, which may - or may not - give you admin* access to the Farms. However, listening to that video will make you quite amused by the idea that Christin put forward that it is a foum for radical feminists.

*Sorry, you won't become an admin by watching the video, despite what Christin infers.

Brefugee · 20/09/2024 08:45

And what about the sexual threat he made against a trans woman about dragging her by "her kinky boots" (linehan's wording)?

Linehan can be a bit of a dick. But. In his defence:
a) he uses hyperbole
b) he is one of the very few "threat makers" who uses his own name
c) he doesn't hide behind a mask and an anime character or whatever
d) compared to the TRAs we have no video evidence of him smacking an elderly woman in the head, throwing soup over a woman, screaming and shouting in a TRAs face, etc etc etc

and tbh dragging her by her kinky boots is not so much of a nasty threat as sticking a barbed-wire wrapped baseball up someone's cunt and fucking them to death with it. Is it now? Especially when such threats are accompanied by pictures of blokes with barbed-wire wrapped baseball bats.

fromorbit · 20/09/2024 08:45

The latest twitter trend is various TAs accusing JKR of making Egyptian society sexist in response to Egyptian security believing a short haired woman must be a man. Western Liberal women didn't make the Middle East sexist, nor did they invent religions that are sexist either.

https://x.com/neuroticjewgay/status/1836478029024907340

x.com

https://x.com/neuroticjewgay/status/1836478029024907340

RufustheFactualReindeer · 20/09/2024 08:52

Christinapple · 20/09/2024 03:01

And Linehan's threat isn't credible because

-he said "durr" in the tweet.

gotcha? He was also perma-suspended for that threat and would have remained so if it wasn't for Elon Musk coming along and deciding twitter shouldn't have things like bannings or moderation.

And what about the sexual threat he made against a trans woman about dragging her by "her kinky boots" (linehan's wording)?

@RainWithSunnySpells, it's called a ticker and please do. I like being mentioned in stuff.

No mate

not a gotcha

at no point have i defended lineshames comments and called them not credible

unlike you 😉

EasternStandard · 20/09/2024 08:54

QuietLurker · 19/09/2024 20:48

But please, keep going. There will be plenty of lurkers on this thread reading all this and thinking 'Fuck me, the gender critical side are right after all. Trans activists really don't care about violence towards women'.

Yes. I am one of those lurkers, and this is exactly---- how this is coming across.

My goodness this thread. Too frustrating to reply to some of the posts, hats off to those who can, so will say ditto to this

RufustheFactualReindeer · 20/09/2024 08:59

for the absence of doubt i do not think anyone should be issuing any violent threats, its not inly a shitty frightening thing to do to people its also incredibly stupid

even if they are really really good at drawing weapons

RainWithSunnySpells · 20/09/2024 09:00

lcakethereforeIam · 20/09/2024 07:49

I'm willing to agree that the GI side is crap at art, 'crayon' <cough>4thplinth<cough> and the GC is crap at death threats, 'durr'. If you want a real death threat to chill the blood and unsettle the stomach, goddammit, you have to hand it to the TQ+, grate bunch of lads.

It would be interesting to know if people with dark triad personalities were attracted to activism that has a violent streak and also the apparent immunity of being declared OTRSOH?

Certain activists do make my blood run cold at just how blatant the violence within them is. They do their cause no good at all. If I was involved in the TRA movement, I would be denouncing these individuals publicly. Unfortunately, one can't help but wonder if the rape and death threats are a feature and not a bug, which bring me back to my dark triad question.

Datun · 20/09/2024 09:04

So many men have absolutely zero idea of the level of threat women live with.

Although when they minimise threats towards women, it's anyone's guess if they're just ignorant, or enjoying it.

inkymoose · 20/09/2024 10:06

RainWithSunnySpells · 20/09/2024 09:00

It would be interesting to know if people with dark triad personalities were attracted to activism that has a violent streak and also the apparent immunity of being declared OTRSOH?

Certain activists do make my blood run cold at just how blatant the violence within them is. They do their cause no good at all. If I was involved in the TRA movement, I would be denouncing these individuals publicly. Unfortunately, one can't help but wonder if the rape and death threats are a feature and not a bug, which bring me back to my dark triad question.

Can you explain what "dark triad" personality is and also unpick OTRSOH for me please? Google isn't helping

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/09/2024 10:07

On The Right Side of History

inkymoose · 20/09/2024 10:09

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/09/2024 10:07

On The Right Side of History

Thanks!

Have now found way too much info/psychobabble on the dark triad personality ..... rabbit hole beckons

Anastomosisrex · 20/09/2024 10:17

The sheer depth of graphic violence and sexual violence is disturbing, these are not thoughts that occupy the minds of typical healthy people.

Walking around in a 'blood soaked' t shirt with a baseball bat, grinning, with the message on your t shirt that you were there to kill women who said no to you, is not the actions of a decent or healthy man. But he was celebrated in an art exhibition ffs, with the bat as part of 'celebrating LGTB' as opposed to 'celebrating serious psychological problems and a pathological issue with women'.

Kerb stomping.... anyone who could envisage doing something like that to another human being has something really very very wrong with them.

Normal, healthy, functional people do not go around waving crayoned signs about killing people in the streets, complete with a picture on their planned method. Being from a very special group, or having a very special reason to be cross, does not make it any healthier or more acceptable. And yes, it absolutely has a serious effect on public perception for the entire group being represented, and should do. Women are being asked to accept men with these issues into spaces where they are undressed and vulnerable.

It's insane to think they should do some liberal social worky mental action of 'well I must remember that however uncomfortable or frightened I am, not every man who wants to be in a loo with me while my knickers are down has serious psychological issues, boundary and social norm issues, women issues, and alarming fantasies about murdering women, in case I accidentally make the wrong man sad'. You would have to have a very disorted and subordinated view of women indeed to think that's acceptable.

CocoapuffPuff · 20/09/2024 10:23

I keep thinking of Germaine Greer's "Women have no idea how much men hate them" comment

I pretty certain I know now.

I kind of wish I didn't. Everything I do and everywhere I go now is coloured by this knowledge. I guess I should thank the tra tribe for bringing it all out into the open, as up to now, most guys were smart enough to hide it, lest their sex lives dwindle to nothing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/09/2024 10:25

The sheer depth of graphic violence and sexual violence is disturbing, these are not thoughts that occupy the minds of typical healthy people.

I agree. It's shocking the first time you become aware of it.

BezMills · 20/09/2024 11:47

On the one hand you've got people who get very sad when their very strong gender feelings are not always respected (Siri, please insert Cartman Respect My Gender Authoritah gif).

Then on the other hand, you've got mad loads of actual death threats and pictures of knives and other weapons.

One one side you have some feminists who were doing their thing, and then the (fucking useless or colluding, pick one) police let the local nazi attention seeking wankers walk past. Clear evidence, we are told, of sinister far right influence!

Meanwhile in London, a huge crowd cheering a male who was only just released on license after serving years in jail on a life sentence for serious violent offenses (kidnapping, torture, attempted murder), when they said this "if you see a terf, punch them in the fucking face"

It's like one side are just saying "hang on a minute can we talk about this" and generally going about their peaceful law-abiding business, the other side seem to contain scads of absolute actual lunatics who are casting aside any veneer of civilised discourse at the drop of a hat (or the lifting of a crayon).

GailBlancheViola · 20/09/2024 11:52

Of course there was the Kill JK Rowling sign carried by the delightful Sarah Jane Baker at a London Pride event. That enough of a direct threat for you Christin? Do look up the history of the fragrant Sarah Jane Baker Also note that the at the time sitting Labour MP Llyod Russell Moyle chose to share a platform with said fragrant Baker.

Datun · 20/09/2024 11:54

Anastomosisrex · 20/09/2024 10:17

The sheer depth of graphic violence and sexual violence is disturbing, these are not thoughts that occupy the minds of typical healthy people.

Walking around in a 'blood soaked' t shirt with a baseball bat, grinning, with the message on your t shirt that you were there to kill women who said no to you, is not the actions of a decent or healthy man. But he was celebrated in an art exhibition ffs, with the bat as part of 'celebrating LGTB' as opposed to 'celebrating serious psychological problems and a pathological issue with women'.

Kerb stomping.... anyone who could envisage doing something like that to another human being has something really very very wrong with them.

Normal, healthy, functional people do not go around waving crayoned signs about killing people in the streets, complete with a picture on their planned method. Being from a very special group, or having a very special reason to be cross, does not make it any healthier or more acceptable. And yes, it absolutely has a serious effect on public perception for the entire group being represented, and should do. Women are being asked to accept men with these issues into spaces where they are undressed and vulnerable.

It's insane to think they should do some liberal social worky mental action of 'well I must remember that however uncomfortable or frightened I am, not every man who wants to be in a loo with me while my knickers are down has serious psychological issues, boundary and social norm issues, women issues, and alarming fantasies about murdering women, in case I accidentally make the wrong man sad'. You would have to have a very disorted and subordinated view of women indeed to think that's acceptable.

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well I must remember that however uncomfortable or frightened I am, not every man who wants to be in a loo with me while my knickers are down has serious psychological issues, boundary and social norm issues, women issues, and alarming fantasies about murdering women, in case I accidentally make the wrong man sad'

... but the other thing I must remember is that those exact men are the ones who are gonna try the hardest to get in

RainWithSunnySpells · 20/09/2024 14:50

inkymoose · 20/09/2024 10:06

Can you explain what "dark triad" personality is and also unpick OTRSOH for me please? Google isn't helping

Apologies for not being clear.

Yes, OTRSOH is 'on the right side of history' as explained upthread.

'The Dark Triad refers to three interconnected personality traits – narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy – that are characterized by callous manipulation, selfishness, and ruthlessness. Individuals with dark triad traits are motivated by their own gain with little regard for others.'

https://www.simplypsychology.org/dark-triad-personality.html

Dark Triad Personality Traits

Dark Triad Personality Traits

The Dark Triad refers to three interconnected personality traits - narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy - that are characterized by callous manipulation, selfishness, and ruthlessness. Individuals with dark triad traits are motivated by their...

https://www.simplypsychology.org/dark-triad-personality.html

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/09/2024 21:37

well I must remember that however uncomfortable or frightened I am, not every man who wants to be in a loo with me while my knickers are down has serious psychological issues, boundary and social norm issues, women issues, and alarming fantasies about murdering women, in case I accidentally make the wrong man sad'

... but the other thing I must remember is that those exact men are the ones who are gonna try the hardest to get in

This.

XChrome · 20/09/2024 23:32

RainWithSunnySpells · 20/09/2024 09:00

It would be interesting to know if people with dark triad personalities were attracted to activism that has a violent streak and also the apparent immunity of being declared OTRSOH?

Certain activists do make my blood run cold at just how blatant the violence within them is. They do their cause no good at all. If I was involved in the TRA movement, I would be denouncing these individuals publicly. Unfortunately, one can't help but wonder if the rape and death threats are a feature and not a bug, which bring me back to my dark triad question.

I think that's true. Some people are in activism because of the potential to do violence and exert their bogus authority on others.
I'd go further and say dark tetrad, because many are sadistic as well.

BezMills · 21/09/2024 09:25

yeah it's hard not to see the misogyny and sadism radiating from some of these TRSOH types. Whoever it is they're 'be kind' ing, it sure as hell isn't women.

Anastomosisrex · 21/09/2024 12:48

That however is one of the hallmarks of the conditions mentioned.

A belief of being entitled to care,support, unconditional excusing and enabling, service, all the resources and obedience (called kindness, the marketing helps overcome resistance), but that those they demand it from are absolutely not entitled to anything equal or even at all in reciprocation from them. Double standards; the hall mark of the abusive relationship where one sees themselves as of a much higher caste than the servant scum other.

And then add in all the sexually violent graphic, oh so easily trotted out and in loving detail language and threats to women and yes. You're not talking about the average, healthy, functional person.

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