3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

Follow ups:

So, is transgender only an English speaking thing? As in, do you think transgender people are only found in the English speaking world?

Taste in food and music aren’t really the same as whether a group agrees with a position though? Do you think that the right wing believes in the same things gender criticals do, regardless of what that says about you - because I don’t really care one way or the other, I’m not here to cast judgement, just to ask.

1. Is what a question of informing or advocacy? Both of those things are quite similar whatever you mean.

1. I don't think the far right generally tends to care about much other than straight men, especially since that's what makes most of them up, in all cultures from the west to the middle east and to the far east.

1. I don't believe gender has any basis in hard reality, it is a social construct. I for example am female and have interests and hobbies that are typical to both men and women. Does that make me trans? If someone feels distress about their sex then they have a mental health problem, which has likely been exacerbated by the pharmaceutical industry which aims to turn people's insecurities into profit.

Ok.

I’d say enough that I now have a bloke at work watching me undress in the communal changing room, which is grim.

So, if I wanted to extrapolate data from that (& I don’t, as it’s too crude and utterly pointless), I’d say 0.8-1% - thus, 78% of my female colleagues (more women than men in my workplace) are able to be watched getting changed by a man.

Thanks!

1. Sure, what I mean is: would people start identifying themselves as GCs if they knew more about the issue or would you actually have to convince them to adopt that label?

2. Sure, this makes sense.

3. So this goes back to my question about numbers. If there’s profit to be made on the scale of a pharma group then we must be talking a huge number - at least more than the number of people globally with diseases we can cure but wouldn’t be profitable to treat?

A shame that the entirely sincere "just wondering" GC-curious always gatecrash witching recipe hour. But what can you do? If you have completely genuine wife-eyed questions, you just have to ask straight away. I get it.

Agree. Rock cakes are the devil.

Right so back of the envelope 1 in 100. Thank you!

Wife-eyed is apparently a phrase known to my autocorrect but wide-eyed isn't. That needs investigation!

I don't believe that believing that people can't change sex means that someone is a feminist in itself - IE you can have this view and still have a range of misogynistic/oldfashioned/whatever views and I think the vast majority of people - the silent majority - don't think you can change sex - but like most views a lot of people don't care/don't think it affects them etc.

A lot of left wing people associate being left wing with being liberal and tolerant and think that allowing people to live their lives how they want is indicative of this tolerance.
So if i am non-religious- i am perfectly happy to have people of different faiths live life according to their faith whilst if i was rabidly christian say I wouldn't be. its only when the religious group you are willing to tolerate inflicts its views on the non-religious group that people realise how insidious some of the view are.

Define trans?
People who are living in the wrong sexed body - zero
People who belive they are the wrong sex- don't know
People who don't conform to the gender stereotypes of society - majority of people

Do they still teach cooking in school now? I hated it back then, but looking back it was so much fun.

So, is transgender only an English speaking thing? As in, do you think transgender people are only found in the English speaking world?

The concept is western. There are transvestites in other parts of the world but they don't claim to be the sex they're not.

Taste in food and music aren’t really the same as whether a group agrees with a position though? Do you think that the right wing believes in the same things gender criticals do, regardless of what that says about you - because I don’t really care one way or the other, I’m not here to cast judgement,

Basically yes but they seem to prefer traditional gender roles. But then many who support transgenders seem to do so on the basis of traditional gender roles too.
The explanation always seems to incorporate that they didn't enjoy the things typically associated with their sex.
Maybe they have much in common too.

It's called food tech now. They have to calculate nutritional content and design packaging as well as cooking and planning a menu.

We only ever got a term of home economics (plus a term each of design tech and something else - sewing I think) before everything cooking and sewing related was ditched from the curriculum.

Follow ups:

1. Right, so do I have it right or that you’re saying they being feminist something more than just being gender critical?

2. Would you say that the attitude of “let people live the way they want” is why support for trans people is typically on the political left?

3. if you were to ballpark the second definition, how many would you guess?

Sorry you have misunderstood me - I didn’t mean trans people, I meant men who now watch us get undressed in the changing room at work.

There is no such thing as trans people. Just males and females.

Right, ok. So there exists something akin to adopting the stereotypes of another gender but it’s not transgender. Why do you think people in western world started believing that they could change their sex or gender? Where did that com from?

Would you say that transgender people have more in common with the right wing than GCs then?

Ok, but you’d estimate 1 in 100

Right, so is the GC position that gender itself as a categorisation tool is meaningless? Or that it has meaning but that meaning is inherently tied to your sex?

Are you seriously asking if the GC position is that gender has meaning, and that that meaning is inherently tied to your sex?

JFC on a bike.

No, for the avoidance of doubt, that is most emphatically not the GC position. And the fact that you could even ask that shows how non-existent is your grasp of what GC means.

Which makes me wonder who you even think you’re addressing when you purport to ask questions of “GC women”.

And as *LiterallyOnFire” says, your “water isn’t actually wet” spiel is so transparent it’s laughable.

Ah well. Who doesn’t love a great cake recipe!