3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

Gosh @GrumpyPanda - that does have a "sweep half the larder into the bowl" vibe. Maybe they wanted it to count as "five a day"?

I always find American spices and herbs interesting. They invent these blends and then act as though they're single spices, almost. Blows my little British mind, but I suppose it makes sense if you have a regular rota of recipes.

I've been using up allotment raspberries and making rather nice streüssel bakes the last couple of weeks. I reckon I could turn out a decent glutenfree version ‐I'll have a think. Brownies are lovely, but sometimes you want something fruity.

Laughing my ass off at this cake detour.

Is OP fishing for Daily Mail per chance?

They sound divine.

I must try growing more soft fruits next year.

@StealthSpinach I have no idea what a jam drop is but yes please to posting the vegan version.

I'm sorely tempted to bake a batch of rock cakes tomorrow after the uncalled for hate on here.

The right wing and left wing are largely media creations. The majority are people just trying to get by. Objecting to gender ideology in schools, rolling your eyes at the promotion of polyamorous relationships and wishing for less sexual violence on TV are not right wing extremist positions. Similarly the radical left tends to be exaggerated by the media, I have never met anyone in real life who wanted to decriminalise all drugs, vandalise artwork or paint rainbows over the Sistine Chapel for instance.

Everyone wants public safety, good healthcare, good aged care, more support for families, more support for special needs kids, affordable housing etc. But strangely the politicians of both parties either ignore these issues or screw things up further. We need to move past the false divisions the media keep conjuring up.

I apologise for being rude about rock cakes.

@LiterallyOnFire Apology gratefully accepted.

@ChirpyFinch Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

The right wing is socially conservative. Most people on mumsnet are socially conservative. Hence, there is alignment in perspectives. And obviously, GC is not the only point of agreement.

JAM DROPS
Makes 2 ½ dozen biscuits

2 ½ cups self raising flour
½ tin of condensed milk (395 gram tin)
6 tablespoons sugar
250 grams butter

1. Preheat oven to 190 degrees . Sift the flour and add into the mixing bowl.
2. Throw all other ingredients into the bowl.
3. Turn your mixer onto speed 4 for approx. 1 minute until the dough is combined.
4. Roll into small 3-4cm balls and place onto lined baking tray.
5. Using your thumb (or the back of a teaspoon) press in a small indentation into the top of each biscuit.
6. Spoon in a small amount of jam into each little well.
7. Put into the 190 degree pre heated oven for 15 minutes. Watch your oven it could need a little more or less – just wait until you have a good colour on them.
8. Take out and allow to cool on a rack before eating.

When making vegan ones, I use plant based condensed milk and sunflower “butter”. Gluten free flour is substituted 1:1.

Right. Follow up: Why do you keep repeating the same question even after you’ve been answered? Including an answer that succinctly explained how the ‘right wings’ and ‘gender criticals’ hold opposing views on gender. Another follow up. Why is it difficult for you to understand the definition?

Do you think that the right wing believes in the same things gender criticals do, regardless of what that says about you

Gave yourself away with that one.

Anyhow, I’m looking for a good muffin recipe that could be construed as healthy if anyone has one?

1. It depends where you are. There are a lot more GC folks in the UK than where I live.

2. Because they're bigoted assholes. Everything they believe in comes from a framework of hate. They aren't interested in protecting women, whereas GC people are. Far from it. They want to enslave women. They hate transgender people for the same reason they hate everybody but white males who fit a stereotypical "manly" image. They are white supremacists and male supremacists. Did I mention that they're assholes?

3. No clue.

@StealthSpinach

Two tablespoons of cinnamon,
And two or three egg whites
A half a stick of butter
Melt it
Stick it all in a bowl, baby
Stir it with a wooden spoon
Mix in a cup of flour,
You'll be in heaven soon

I know things moved on to recipes but I need to address this.

Sex and gender are not the same thing, as gender is a social construct damaging to all, in particular women.

I want a society where gender does not exist.

@LiterallyOnFire yes it is rather uniquely awful, isn't it? I do find this rather an instructive thread. I never even heard of rock cakes - well, I do now, I just googled it!

Growing up in 70s Germany the really big thing (no doubt much to the dismay of our assorted mothers) was "Hermann" cake. A simple sourdough, only sweet rather than savory, and multiplying just as quickly as bread sourdough. Turnaround was 5 days and you'd have to bake new cake or give tons of starter away to school friends. (Almost as bad as when I was gifted a pair of supposedly female guinea pigs which in short course started procreating like crazy.)

Obviously Hermann, being wheat-based, was never gluten-free, but I've just found a gf variation (appropriately called Hermione) if anyone wants to bother with Google Translate:
https://www.smarticular.net/hermine-hermann-teig-ohne-gluten/

Here's some wiki background on an atrociously misspelt Hermann/Hermann, along with an English-language recipe. Appropriately again, using American measures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermancake

https://www.food.com/recipe/herman-coffee-cake-starter-and-bread-58215

Love the jam drops!

I used to make a layer cake with cherry jam for a middle layer and fudge icing. It was divine if I do say so myself.

@GrumpyPanda Herman landed in England and caused no end of trouble when parents sighted a parent with the starter and ran in the other direction.

Like pumpkin pie spice. Very convenient. However, it's usually missing the mace, so I add that.

Just don’t use too much jam in each or it will erupt!
I challenge anyone who makes them to stop at trying 1 only!

1. I think most people (certainly most women) over about 30/35 are gender critical. I think most people under 30 are not.

2. I don't think gender beliefs are necessarily politically aligned. But I think older people are more likely to be GC and older people are more likely to be right wing so it looks like there is a correlation between GC beliefs and political beliefs when there isn't really.

3. I have no idea how many trans people there are in the world.

@ChirpyFinch you might find this Venn Diagram helpful as you seem to be conflating the views of people you disagree with as if they are part of the same binary axis. Feminists have as much in common with the trans way of thinking as they do with the religious right. The trans way of thinking has as as much in common with the religious right as feminists do.

@StealthSpinach The jam drops look delicious.
I regularly buy plant milk and occasionally vegan cream but I've never seen vegan condensed milk. I'll have to look out for it.

A couple of years ago, I bought a little be-ro recipe book off ebay. It's identical to one my Mum had back in the 70s and is great for old school recipes.
Little fairy cakes and butterfly cakes instead of huge muffins with a sickly amount of buttercream.

That wouldn't have helped our parents, bless them. Germany in the 70s was all free range kids, so we did our own swapping. I marvel reading MN sometimes - I routinely walked home alone aged 8.

It's all such baloney. I've an interview coming up where I just know the trans question will come up so I'm already thinking how I can frame my answers so I don't talk myself out of a job. Very depressing.

A person who argues the road about water being wet is the same person who wants someone to guess how many people are mentally ill?