3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

Understood. I discovered I'm actually allergic to coconut a few years ago, which sucks, because I adore it. I guess it's one of those things you either love or loathe.

This is the Maya Forstater position, which I think represents gender critical belief well.
It begs the question which part of this do you reject?

GENDER CRITICAL BELIEF
I believe the following:
(A) “Sex” is a material reality which should not be conflated with “gender” or “gender identity”.
(B) Being female is an immutable biological fact, not a feeling or an identity.
(C) Sex matters.
(D) In particular it is important it is important to be able to talk about sex in order to take action against the discrimination, violence and oppression that still affect women and girls because they were born female.

Bread pudding has definitely made a comeback!

We went to beamish recently; the rock go cakes saved us from hangry children tantrums. I'd forgotten how good they are!

I’m merely trying to get a cross section of what GCs believe about being GC so I can better understand it.

Siri, show me... Siri.

I second this. Which part of the list do you disagree with, OP.

And if you do disagree with any of it, please explain why.

I love raspberries. What's a streüssel bake?

"jam raid" 😂😂

And your mum thinking Greggs sausage rolls are too spicy... 😂😂🥺

Absolutely this.

My mum used to make the most amazing cheesecake. You backed it in the oven at some ridiculously low heat for hours and hours, but it was light and fluffy and amazing when dressed with strawberries. She got the recipe from a magazine in the 1980s. Was nothing like the stodgy American style cheesecakes you see now. Would kill for that recipe. Not least cos I’ve not had cake in 16months (diet - nearly 5.5 stones lost, yay me.)

Mum also made the most delicious rock cakes… moist, buttery oozing with sultanas. Didn’t eat any of her baked goods herself, though, as she was chronically anorexic and food was her weapon of choice. Funny how EDs are still largely the preserve of the female sex, isn’t it?

@LiterallyOnFire You don't ever see those kinds of things now. Seed cake was another one.
I make seed cake!

I do have a gluten free chocolate orange cake recipe somewhere, I think. Could look it out for you if you fancy it?

Grandma made the BEST jam drops. I think I made them at school too from the Day to Day Cookery book for home ec. I still use that book.

But Brits don’t know what a jam drop is.

Are jammy dodgers the factory-made biscuit version of jam drops?

I think left wing people believe in supporting the underdog.
In this instance I think they believe the rhetoric that trans people are suffering more than women.

1.Yes, the vast,vast majority of people globally (if what you mean by GC is not believing that TWAW or TMAM).

1. Because the GC stance is a rare example of a belief that's simultaneously 'traditional' (in that it's what has been known to be true by virtually all of humanity since the dawn of time) but also sort of progressive, in that it's going against the resurgence and dominance of sex-based stereotypes. So it's not at all surprising that those different groups both have GC views.

1. I have no idea and don't particularly care tbh.

I think it’s more of a coincidence that right wing and GC people happen to agree on this one thing. I’m GC because I believe in science, a lot of extreme conservative types (who believe in banning abortion) are religious and that’s not compatible with science. It’s a scientific impossibility to change your sex. It’s a mental health issue that needs treating as such, not pandering to and allowing people to believe they can change the facts of life just because they’re unhappy with what they got.
The overwhelming majority of people I know, in all walks of life, think that the trans movement has gone too far and is dangerous to young people.

Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?
I think that the majority of people do not believe human being can change sex. I also think they don't know what gender critical actually means.

Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)
look at it like a Venn diagram. The right wing circle has bits about traditional roles and living conservatively, the GC circle has protect women's rights and women's spaces and "people cannot change sex" is the bit in the middle. It is not right wing to believe that human beings cannot change sex.

How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

There are very few people with gender dysphoria, at a guess maybe 0.5% or less and maybe 5% with autogynephilia, but at the moment I would say the majority of people saying they are trans are young people who believe it or are saying it for a wide variety of reasons but most of them will not go on to live presenting as the opposite sex for their adult life

Have you thought the issue is that you are trying to ask a group of people who have different interests to define a term which has been detached from its original purpose (gender critical feminism) and misapplied to a segment of society that don’t fit the original intention of the term at all?

In effect, you are saying you want to understand a term which is now meaningless. But has become a tool to discredit feminists because activists who want gender to be treated as being as important as sex detached the term from ‘gender critical feminist’ and wedged in groups with opposite motivations. That is forced teaming and was always dishonest.

So of course you will get what you see as different answers. There is no definition to the now meaningless term these days.

Even on this board there are people who are not feminists (by their own admission), have no understanding of feminism and are not interested in feminism, so why would you expect such a board to give you the consistent meaning you say you are seeking?

There are also many of us who also reject the term as it used now. In fact, I think many of us reject labelling full stop.

Your posts do come across as if you have an ulterior purpose. You are one of many who come and post around midnight to do this type of ‘academic’ exercise.

Yes . HTH.

Here for the GF recipes. I tried making these the other day and added lemon zest, they were lovely. I could also have added a lot less sugar and they would’ve still been great.
https://www.deliciousmagazine.co.uk/recipes/almond-macaroons/amp/

“How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?”

Most people around the world would fall into the category of ‘non-binary’. Because most people have interests that don’t fit into what has been used to categorise the ‘binary genders’. Most people just are who they are and like what they like and their sex is only relevant for issues around having a sexed body.

So without further definition of what you mean as ‘trans people’, why do you expect others to give a consistent answer?

I'd like to ask a wide-eyed question about how many feminists are vegan and/or gluten-free. Because from this thread, it's a LOT. <narrows eyes>

If I use 'sex role stereotype' as a synonmym for 'gender' your questions become:

Do you think the majority of people are sex role stereotype critical, and why/why not?

Not sure. Half the people are men, and the stereotypes have served them well for millennia. Women, less so. Feminism still has a lot of work to do worldwide.

Globally, the right wing is more vocally sex role stereotype critical than the left.

Oh No They Are Not. They really really are not. The love sex role stereotypes. Genderism is an extremely regressive and repressive ideology, one of a number of reasons one powerful and vocal subset of its enthusiasts is rich white middleaged men.

They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with those who reject sex-role stereotypes on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

I don't because they don't.

How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

How long is a piece of string? Define 'trans person' - break that down by birth sex, age, race, social status, access to money, continent of residence.

Not quite. The jam to biscuit ratio is all wrong. And the biscuit is the wrong texture. I dont like jammy dodgers at all. But I love a good jam drop.

I am GF! But I eat a little bit every day so my allergy doesn’t set in.