3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

"Gender criticals" and "GCs" are unpleasantly dehumanising terms.

"Gender critical" means critical of gender as a tool to control and oppress women in a patriarchal society. Gender is the enforcing of harmful stereotypes and expectations on people because of their sex. Any feminist should want to break down those gendered stereotypes and expectations.

Conservative people tend to believe that those gendered stereotypes are natural, innate, necessary, etc etc. They tend to want to preserve them and discourage people from breaking them down. This is clearly not a feminist position.

If you understand what being critical of gender means you could never confuse the position of feminists as being the same as conservative right wing people.

No. I would categorically not.

So how would you define gender critical as a set of beliefs?

Right, ok. So there exists something akin to adopting the stereotypes of another gender but it’s not transgender. Why do you think people in western world started believing that they could change their sex or gender? Where did that com from?
They were told they could through medical intervention.

Would you say that transgender people have more in common with the right wing than GCs then?
It would appear so. What do you think?

Ok, so would I be correct in saying that the you identify as a feminist and would prefer to have that be the label?

I don't identify as anything. I am a feminist, I don't care what you label me as.

Worldwide the vast vast majority of people think sex is binary and immutable. Even in the west it's a majority.

I would say the better way to understand the answer to your second question is reverse it, why is it the progressive left that has adopted this cause? I would say that is because they have inherited a thought tradition that suggests they are on a journey of historical progress to akind of endpoint which will or at least can exist in the real world, and this idea comes out of Marxism though they may or may not know that. Additionally, they believe that this can be achieved through breaking down all kinds of boundaries and traditions and they tend to do this without feeling much need to understand why those boundaries might be there. Because they think human nature is perfectabile they are overly optimistic about what a completely free society might actually look like.

Most other people be they moderates, conservatives, or from a totally different set of political traditions, don't think that way.

How many "trans" people are there? It depends on what you mean. People who are born in the wrong body, zero. People claiming a trans identity, not sure.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

Yes, because up until very recently GC wasn't even a thing, the GC view was what everyone knew as real life.

1. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

I don't agree with this. Im right wing, religious, no issues with gays and no particularly strong feelings on abortion when its best for the women pregnant. I dont expect its an easy decision.

1. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

Id just view them as people with mental health problems. Seems to be a lot these days. I think it would be a minority of mh sufferers claiming to be in the wrong body though

When I was a child we had a lovely recipe for bran muffins that started with soaking All-Bran in milk overnight, and we sometimes used to put a spoon of jam in the top before baking. I loved them and was sorry when we lost the recipe moving house.

Does anyone here have a similar recipe?

1. Majority of people haven't thought things through enough to have developed a position that they would call gender critical.

But polling has shown reduced support for the demands of trans rights activists. The more people are aware of the demands, the more they understand the language, the more they oppose the demands.

I do regular WRN street stalls and have talked to many, many people. Most want to be kind but are worried by what is happening in schools, don't think men should be in women's sports, dislike mixed sex toilets etc etc

Many people are still unaware of how bad things are eg are shocked if I talk about men in women's prisons.

1. The alarm was first raised by left wing feminists.

I don't know why the Right has also come to recognise the dangers to children and to women's rights while many of those on the Left don't give a shit. Progressive mysogyny, I suppose.

1. Impossible to say how many trans people there are because the term is now so broad that it has become meaningless.

It used to refer to a very few people, then calling themselves transexuals, who suffer from gender dysphoria and who recognise that they haven't changed sex.

It now includes distressed, autistic, teenage girls who find puberty difficult; AGP men and other fetishists; married, heterosexual couples who call themselves queer because being straight is so uncool and privileged, middle class people who can't find any other way to self-identify as members of an oppressed group.

People who are gender critical think gender is restrictive nonsense.

@Tooting33 thank you for this beautifully succinct definition. Will file it for future use.

That looks fantastic LiterallyOnFire thank you I''ve saved it.

I tend to make flapjack (so quick) or macarons (such a faff) or brownies I can't be bothered with replacement flours.

<it's weird to miss the midnight misogynist & his office "girls">

This has moved on. I wrote half a reply when there were only 2 other replies; had to stop for dinner; came back and found dozens of replies.

I can't believe people have been dissing rock cakes. A decent rock cake is delicious - not at all heavy.

Talking of old school recipes, I made a lovely bread pudding this week. Yummy!

I have a recipe for jam drops that can be made vegan and/or gluten free - it is so moreish…

So far, I have made them at different times with fig and cinnamon jam, cherry (my favourite!), apricot, strawberry, raspberry, and plum jams.

If anyone is interested, I can post a recipe?

Jesus Christ.

Rock cakes are the food of the devil!!

Why would you assume no one wants to know your opinions, whilst seeking others?
Thats just disengenious and of course, instantly suspicious.
I can suggest a bridge for you to live under if you like?

Lol very subtle...👺

What is a jam drop?

Yes please.

I have to say the mascerpone is de trop, itd be too sickly and rich.
Elizabeth Davids is the best.
Bring back restraint in cakes! We dont have to throw the whole fridge at them.

We're bored with the fishing expedition.
Whats your take on Rock cakes?

Yes - was just looking up gluten free just to help out, and the first recipe to come up is a carrot cake recipe from Yummly. American, so perhaps rather a propos to the thread. Also unbelievably disgusting - it's got pineapples and coconut flakes in, would you believe it! Also, pumpkin pie spice. Also, raisins and pecans but I'm good with those.

Anyone who wants to shudder with me (Halloween recipe?) here's the link.

www.yummly.com/recipe/Gluten-Free-Carrot-Cake-2684094

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gluten free please (I add eggs or butter to vegan baking recipes 🤫)

1.Right, so do I have it right or that you’re saying they being feminist something more than just being gender critical?
yes obviously - Feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes. - believing in the immutability of sex doesn't require you to believe that sexes are equal -
2, yes thats my experience- or rather its the reason that left leaning people justify support of trans people/idealogy -i'm left wing though so probably biased - but most right wing/conservative people have views about how life should be led a world view
3, no idea -it changes- and people conflate the notion of sex and gender so its hard to say

why?

A biscuit of deliciousness!