Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

The issue is men. However they identify. Keeping out of places they shouldn't be. Please do tell how you came about the 10% 'genuine ones' that aren't harmful to anyone, women could really do with that nugget of knowledge.

To be honest most men aren't harmful either but they don't get to go in spaces either. Let's keep to that eh.

I also dont think there is any point to castigating people for their voting choices in this election. I think ‘told you so’s are not going to help any of us either in the future.

Sadly, I think we will have to be using all our knowledge and experience over the past decade and find a way forward to achieve the outcomes we can. Hard to do that with the current divisions, but I remain optimistic that enough shared outcomes exist that we will succeed.

The Tories may know what women are- so do Trump and the Republicans-but I see no evidence that they treat them any better.

I think Keir will come around.

Exactly, on Mumsnet.

Whilst I support single sex spaces 100% let me point out a few facts which have occurred under the conservatives.

1. my dd cannot afford to buy or rent a property without relying on the financial support of a partner- a man.
2. my dd cannot use her degree to work abroad.
3. my dd will be in debt virtually forever thanks to the student loan system.
4. if my dd ends up a single parent the father will never be made to pay for his child. So all in all I’d rather vote for a party where my dd has a better life.

This is a huge issue amongst almost everyone I know, men and women. It isn't my experience at all that people don't care about it! It comes into particular focus on MN but I think it is hugely relevant in the real world.

In 14 years conservative government have done nothing for womenthey only decided it was an issue a couple of weeks ago I don't trust them to do anything either

I have leafleted in the past. It is not ‘only on Mumsnet’. The concerns discussed here are shared by the wider population.

Exactly, on Mumsnet.

Funny as it came up quite a lot when talking with others 'in real life' too. The SNP just took a battering and their persistence with gender nonsense played a part in that. Tide is turning.

Agree with you OP, but unfortunately what is done is done now

Well said. By the way I have noticed this too - women seal clapping this along. Honestly some lesbian women are the ones throwing open the gates.

the oppressed couldn’t achieve what they do without help from the oppressed! A sad day for women’s rights

Respectfully I disagree. I think Labour can change direction on this and are likely to do so if they face sufficient pressure and I also think legal issues around legal definition of sex etc can and ultimately will be reversed or worked around. Extreme trans rights activism is a cultural zeitgeist that is already losing its momentum.

Whereas I don't think the dismantling of vital public institutions, the weakening of our democracy, degradation of the environment and a massive widening inequality gap can be so easily reversed at all.

DaisyCat33 · Today 07:21
You're a lesbian and you don't support trans rights? There's a T in LGBT you know

I don't get this. Can I not support one, and not the other? Surely they are all different? Don't agree with people being lumped together like this.
I frankly don't give a monkeys about others sexual orientation, but I don't want men in women's spaces.
I will support anyone's rights, as long as they do not override mine.

I work abroad, what is stopping your DD?

Yes. I run a couple of women’s social groups and none of them are on Mumsnet and most of them bring the various aspects up in chats that are relevant to them. It is only in the past 2 years though. Before that it didn’t register at all.

OP, I think we're in quite a different position now the era of "no debate" is over.

Starmer's actions will be under far greater scrutiny now, and I imagine he will be hard-pressed to continue to shun Labour Women and the other groups JKR mentioned the other day now that he is PM - when he was just a random hopeful it was different, but he's running the bloody country now so he's going to have to grow up a bit and listen to women.

The media isn't going to suddenly go back in the closet on gender identity issues, and JKR and the Janes of this world certainly won't, so I'm not as concerned about Labour's stance on women's rights as I was at the last election when we were all still living in an reenactment of 1984.

Because I voted for the least bad, not something I actually believed in.

Oddly... the transwomen I've met that I have trusted the most, weren't the ones trying to get into the ladies changing rooms... they were the ones finding somewhere else.

Exactly thank you! Most men accept they don’t belong in female spaces. This is ridiculous!!! Why are elected leaders going along with this fantasy that these people belong in the opposite sexes spaces? I would be more comfortable with a typical bloke who does not try to access female spaces. The ones that do set off alarm bells. If they are different put them in a third space

It's five years, we're not in America. I care about women's rights, and a whole host of other issues. Many Tories had awful views on women's rights, but you only care about one particular aspect of it. I'm very glad to see the back of the Tories!

It’s fine - it’s easier to lobby hard to change one policy (trans) than a whole host of them that severely disadvantage women and girls.

A helpful and positive contribution - thank you. I hope so - I hope this turns out to be right 🤞🤞

This. I've always been a Labour voter but the trans issue worries me. Now is the time to make our feelings known; I think the tide has turned and Labour will have to pay attention to this pressing issue. I'm cautiously optimistic that common sense will prevail.

I’m sorry you are so anxious about this but nobody is teaching sexual stuff from age 5. I have a primary school aged child and they just aren’t and that is not going to happen. I think some other political factions are preying on people’s understandable worries and it’s very unhelpful.

Surely a lesbian shouldn’t have to support trans rights just by default?
And what rights would that be, anyway?
Apart from basic human rights which should apply to everyone. Using the changing rooms of the opposite sex to feel better about yourself is not one of them though.

Mmmmm. I assume that's because she doesn't want to be gaslighted into being told that she ought to consider sex with someone with a penis just because they say they're a woman.