Pride in primary school

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Help me get my head around this. Primary school is making a huge deal about pride, and running a themed summer fair to celebrate. The whole school - kids and parents - are expected to get involved. Including an educational seminar for the parents that we are expected to attend!

I’ve been told point blank I am a dinosaur for questioning why there is such an emphasis on celebrating LGBTQ+ communities to a bunch of kids who probably don’t think about any of this stuff yet. There is already a carefully planned curriculum around all of this from the LA so I am confused as to why the school feels the need to go even further, particularly holding a massive event outside of school hours! I feel I have other things I would rather do with my Saturday morning, and I feel attending Pride events should be a choice for families to make for themselves.

One parent is no longer speaking to me because she was so horrified I even questioned the event - so hoping someone could come along with some advice.

Don’t get me started on sports day, when the kids all compete against each other (up until year 5) - which means the boys win pretty much everything and the girls come away empty handed. Again apparently I am ridiculous for daring to point out how unfair it is. Really fed up with it.

I don't need to study to know what my opinion is I have clearly stated it. And respectfully I seriously doubt the impartial opinions on forums here.

Have you actually read what I wrote.

He recognises what the trans person belief is and respects their right to that belief. He is sixteen and that is where he is now. I am 30+ years older and that is where I am also.

He isn't nor am I conducting a PhD thesis we are simply living in a world getting on with humans.

You seemed to be implying that you didn't know anything about autogynephilia. If you're going to discuss these issues on here it might be better to understand what they are rather than stating opinions from a place of ignorance and refusing to learn. Because that sounds a bit bigoted.

This is a book about autogynephilia by a male with the condition.
https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf

And this is a discussion about the book.
https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/05/27/men-trapped-in-mens-bodies/

Why should I respect a male who gets aroused by thinking of himself as a woman and who invades women's spaces to use women as unwilling participants in his fetish?

It was a question, not a statement.

If you believe that people can be born in the wrong body (which even Stonewall have now backtracked from) then is someone like my disabled child born in the wrong body too? If not, please could you explain how you see it as different?

@OldCrone the pp asked was he aroused by xyz that was the response given. I further clarified his experience of a practical issue addressed by teens.

It appears when people don't give the answer in line with certain posters there is a script to infer well you haven't studied xyz have your read thread xyz.

I live in the real world without the interest in finding a "gotcha moment " that appears to be clearly the aim of posters here.

I shared my schools experiences in good faith but it is clear that there is literally a pile on on people who engage in good faith. I was aggressively queried did my school celebrate others under the equality act I responded positively but then there was the accusations that it was linked to an agenda.

I referred to my lived experience and was disrespectfully commented on. I would suggest perhaps that some posters time may be more productive by being more respectful to others.

My aim was to share my positive experience but I see now that doesn't suit the agenda. Thankfully I can return to my family and school community Pride celebrations .

I don't really believe this that it's a fetish in general

I recommend you listen to transwidows for their descriptions of their XH behaviour in the bedroom before coming to any conclusions.

Grayson Perry was very open about it.

And while you are at it, you should learn about Sissy Porn

I want to look it up but I don't think I should lol

@Marblessolveeverything
the pp asked was he aroused by xyz that was the response given. I further clarified his experience of a practical issue addressed by teens.

I think you've misunderstood. Did you think that people were asking if your son was aroused by imagining himself as a woman? Nobody was asking that. The PP wasn't asking if your son was an autogynephile. We were asking if your children had been taught that over 70% of late transitioning heterosexual males were AGP, and what AGP is.

AGP males make up a large proportion of trans people. They are the ones who cause the problems in society. You can't just ignore them and pretend they don't exist.

Yep, that is why I said ‘learn about’ not ‘Google’!

Too late, well that was fucked up

@OldCrone they learnt what I have already said which is in the Irish education system. No more no less.

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boredm · Today 23:23

I don't really believe this that it's a fetish in general

I don’t know about in general or not, but everything is changing exponentially because of the internet.

Some teen boys are also being influenced in this direction by ultra sexualised images of females in the graphics of their online gaming, at the sensitive age just as they are sexually maturing, to the extent they start to imagine they are these girls themselves. There was a thread about it, perhaps someone will remember which.

There is also the influence of Sissy porn, where some men want to be in the position of the vulnerable submissive woman to the dominant man they are watching. That is influencing some to become trans. Then they make trans sissy porn too.

There are a few boys who feel they are trans, who may be potentially gay but perhaps within an unaccepting homophobic setting, and or, autistic, abused, or traumatised, who feel they are more like women. This is the category many people imagine as being what all transwomen are.

There is also a different category of men, who fall into another route in feeling they want to be women, in middle age even, through the feeling of arousal thinking of themselves as women. See the thread about Trans widows.

Some AGP men like not only women’s clothes but also their spaces as props. Some post pictures of themselves in women’s typical places. I saw one of a man in a lingerie department for example, or it might be a ladies’.

Many transwomen though live respectable enough lives.

Until recently it was taboo to mention any fetish was ever involved in any cases of men becoming transgender.

Most likely there
are all sorts of driving forces. Trans is not a single phenomenon.

Girls, have all sorts of reasons of their own given what happens to them; but also being autistic, having experienced abuse or trauma, or possibly having a lesbian orientation which seems unacceptable, or being affected by social contagion, may play a part in their dysphoria. Many women on MN recall the unease of their teenage years, or that they were a tomboy, and feel sure that if they’d been born now they’d have bitten the lure even though they are happy as they are now ( not regretting they didn’t get the chance).

Amazingly when you speak to teens they have solutions and don't have the problems that are constantly on here.
You really think teen boys have more of an insight on this than women with a lifetime of experience of male violence and male sexuality? You must have had a very sheltered life.

It makes me mad that we are being brainwashed into thinking it is not a fetish. In my experience for most men, it certainly is! My mum worked for The Samaritans in the 90s and it was part of the training! They had so many men who would get off on talking to women about their crossdressing. They wanted the women to be shocked. Same thing in one of my previous jobs in a hospital where it was well-known. The difference was the women were allowed to say no to being props in their fantasies. Now we are expected to participate!

Until recently it was taboo to mention any fetish was ever involved in any cases of men becoming transgender.

I don't think that's completely true. Up until a few years ago when transsexual and transvestite and every other flavour of trans were merged under the trans umbrella, it was widely acknowledged that transvestism was a fetish.

But you're right that that understanding was silenced for a while, but is now being discussed again.

If all they're taught is that trans means someone who would like to have been born in an opposite sex body, I'd dispute that they've actually been taught what it is.

Do you have race time results that bear that up? My own observations are boys are faster from the early years. This article seems to agree.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19910817/#:~:text=Boys%20run%20faster%20than%20girls,the%20age%20of%2015%20years.

here are the little athletics records for nsw, Australia. I have skimmed the 7 & 8yos and for every distance the boys record is faster, and this is amongst runners. Take an average cohort and you have the gender influence where most boys run more and so the average boy is faster, by dint of having trained more, so this gap would be more noticeable at a primary school.

i am gobsmacked at ‘gender neutral’ athletics!! Ie the world is for boys and men. I’d be furious.

Sorry here are the little aths record https://lansw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/State-Records-June-2024.pdf

We don't generally have months (black history month is an exception) we usually have days and often they are ignored by most of the population.

I have no problem with children learning some families have two dads or two mums.

I do have a problem with children being told they can change sex or that if they like particular toys they are actually a boy or a girl.

Don't think I'm going to get an answer to my question...

Last year my kids school had a 'diversity day' - but they were flying the 'progress' flag.

When questioned, INTO (Irish National Teachers Organisation!) had sent them the flag (they don't send flags for any other group I note)!

I calmly and carefully explained my concerns to the head, and it hasn't made a re-appearance this year.

Our school is already inclusive and open, with people from all over, with different abilities, families of all shapes and sizes. There is very little bullying (it's a small school, we know all the kids, we know who gets up to what). The sex ed is appropriate, and we get to view all the materials.

Providing a progress flag to fly was absolutely an insidious attempt to get background support without actually explaining what you're supporting - straight out of the playbook. Quietly get stuff in before people realise what it is they've opened the door to.

I'm in Wales,our education system is buggered too.