Pride in primary school

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Help me get my head around this. Primary school is making a huge deal about pride, and running a themed summer fair to celebrate. The whole school - kids and parents - are expected to get involved. Including an educational seminar for the parents that we are expected to attend!

I’ve been told point blank I am a dinosaur for questioning why there is such an emphasis on celebrating LGBTQ+ communities to a bunch of kids who probably don’t think about any of this stuff yet. There is already a carefully planned curriculum around all of this from the LA so I am confused as to why the school feels the need to go even further, particularly holding a massive event outside of school hours! I feel I have other things I would rather do with my Saturday morning, and I feel attending Pride events should be a choice for families to make for themselves.

One parent is no longer speaking to me because she was so horrified I even questioned the event - so hoping someone could come along with some advice.

Don’t get me started on sports day, when the kids all compete against each other (up until year 5) - which means the boys win pretty much everything and the girls come away empty handed. Again apparently I am ridiculous for daring to point out how unfair it is. Really fed up with it.

I should have explained that I meant, that from experience, mentioning AGP in a Mumsnet post, however politely, meant it could get deleted by moderators. I once wrote about it in connection with Debbie Hayton ( a well known man who lives as a woman, for anyone new to this). Debbie openly writes about AGP as a factor in their transition. Yet my post was deleted.

Then there was a sort of watershed when someone rather prominent ? I have forgotten their name) wrote about AGP very explicitly in a major newspaper. After that discussion seemed more open and permitted.

Trans activists did not want AGP tp be recognised as a factor in some men’s transgender presentation. Obviously it paints a different story from the idea of a child ‘born in the wrong body’.

This article?:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

Hoppity version here:
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2023.01.23-121645/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2023.01.23-121645/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/22/britain-becoming-sick-trans-debate-facts-can-cure/

@Sloejelly they are providing information to raise a generation that are not ignorant of how to respect others.

I could easily say the same about faith schools. You have an issue with your children being informed and celebrating Pride then keep them home.

Meanwhile we are off to a fabulous BBQ and fashion show with a pitch and putt competition for the adults in celebration of Pride, I am sure that will scandalise my family.

You do seem to have strong belief and who do not like other people who have different beliefs.

Thank you @Sloejelly, it is difficult to be sure though as I couldn’t open those links.

I hope they'll be doing something equally fabulous for Gluttony month.

@Marblessolveeverything
children understand adults who are trans feels they are in the wrong body. Adults, the same as I explain adults make decisions etc on religion or views on the world. My ten year old doesn't conceptualise it as a child issue.

That's something we can agree on. Trans is not a child issue. But are you really saying that you are unaware that there are now thousands of children identifying as trans?

😂

I was wondering what changed with the MN moderation about AGP. I hadn't realised that it was down to a mainstream newspaper publishing something about it. This is an archive link to the Telegraph article in @DameMaud's post.

https://archive.is/3mOAw

It includes this paragraph:

Autogynephilia, the feeling of sexual arousal some men feel as they pretend to be women, is according to some researchers behind many or even most cases of gender dysphoria among those born as men. It is legitimate to ask whether non-consenting women ought to be participants in such sexual fantasies.

MN could hardly claim that this is something we shouldn't discuss when it's set out like that in a national newspaper. Although that's from January last year and I think they were still deleting mentions of AGP earlier this year.

You have an issue with your children being informed and celebrating Pride then keep them home.
Yet more proof that this has zero to do with inclusion. Stay at home if you're not prepared to agree with our religion. 🙄

Thank you very much for the link.

Yes, it is difficult to be sure how much changed immediately after this article about the link between men who see themselves as women and AGP came out, but as I remember, so many people then mentioned AGP
on the very thread containing this article, that as MN had no real grounds for deleting the article itself, everyone’s comments were allowed that day.

Then it became easier to mention AGP by by bit.

What the hell?

Some of us were actually ‘fighting the fight’ back in the day when it actually mattered. There wasn’t gay marriage, gay partners didn’t get a say in medical treatment should their partner be incapacitated, gay partner wouldn’t automatically get a pension if their partner predeceased them, no comeback of you got fired for being gay…

Some of us got abuse and harassed. Some of us took risks. Some of us actually got off our rainbow arses and stood up to get ‘rights’ (NOT wants).

We didn’t do this so kiddies could be told they were born in the ‘wrong body’ (what the hell doss that even mean?), to have PIE slogans resurrected and chanted at them, have furries/ rubber doggies / men in baby dolls / rainbow butt monkies prance about at ‘family friendly’ events, or drag queens ‘sashaaaaying’ in toddler groups - exposing our kids to content way beyond their understanding and age. Or for bloody flags everywhere - banks, building sites, all along regent street, tv, apps, cosmetics… even on packs of cat treats.

What is the point of Pride?

Ah. Sorry Scrolling. I'll see if anyone has managed ti re-link below- and if not I'll try again🤞

It is all right,
OldCrone · Today 13:59
put up an archive link, but thank you.

I’ll take that as a yes - girls and boys can never share the same perspectives when it comes to safety.

Not sure why you're quoting me as you seem to be in agreement. Yes, I was also fighting for acceptance and rights which is why I hate this fake "inclusion " which is anything but.

If this is what Pride looks like I don't want my children to have anything to do with it.

I’m agreeing! 100%

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Does your child understand that this is a personal belief though rather than an established fact?”

As is religion, which is hand in hand with the state.

What’s the difference?

As a side note I think it's time for the "Pride" movement to find another flag. The rainbow is an image particularly attractive to children and it is something they love to draw. I have always been uncomfortable with it being coopted to represent homosexuality. Was that done on purpose to draw in children? I don't know, but having rainbow flags bedecking schools makes the ideology seem more harmless than it really is.

As a bisexual woman I wouldn't allow my child to attend.

There is no reason to promote pride in primary school (or high school)

In my experience gay, lesbian and bisexual people vary hugely in what they think of Pride, and in fact their views on many issues that are associated with gay rights. The number of real shared views are quite slim.

Pride is much more united by a particular social and political worldview. It really is much more like a quasi-religious ideological group. And should be treated as such.

Exactly. Though its origins is a political protest group and many still consider it such. That would make it unlawful for schools in the UK to support.

My son was laughing because he gives no fucks (his words) what gets anyone else "off" and finds the idea of a group of people who do as needing to "get out more"

How old is your son, @Theeyeballsinthesky

We were told - 16. Old enough to know that many of the ways men “get off” are criminal offences due to the intense harms they inflict on women and children.