Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

The law differs with you on that one.

As soon as I see the name 'Emma Corrin', I know it's going to be related to gender and not her acting 'ability'. When the most 'interesting' thing about you is your gender identity......

TBH I'm a little tired of hearing enormously privileged people like EC talk about being 'marginalised'. When there are actors in the profession who have actually had to struggle & overcome enormous early disadvantage, it's frankly offensive.

Can you give the quote where EC talks about being marginalised?

Just, ya know, language is important

No it doesn’t. It still punishes the perpetrator for the act. The law does not require the recipient to acknowledge or deny any victimhood status.

"People like". Although claiming to experience prejudice such as homophobia & transphobia is making a tacit claim to being marginalised.

She's a rich white woman, from an enormously privileged background, in a straight relationship. She's an oppression tourist. It's insulting to people who actually are disadvantaged & it only serves to disguise real oppression.

But if you want to consider a woman who squashes her tits and cuts her hair some kind of gay trailblazer, you do you.

Umm - so we have eight pages of people criticising Emma Corrin for claiming to have experienced homophobia.

But actually, I've seen no quotes of them actually saying that.

The interview quotes from Corrin all refer to a reaction against them coming out as non-binary, but there is no quote from them saying that that was homophobic.

This.
EC is a good actor/actress/acting person, with critical acclaim for many of their roles, but they do come across as a totally self obsessed, bore-off. And as someone who seemingly comes from a very privileged back ground, my cynicism is that they need this to make them feel 'relevant'.

I've had my hair cut an inch short all over, worn no make up, don't have big boobs, and live in jeans etc etc. I'm still a woman.

Ok let's put it another way.

If a man lies and tells women he is a multimillionaire, and as such achieves dates with women who would not date non-multimillionaires, he has achieved an initial benefit (that will hopefully come back to bite many times over) That date is a tangible reality and experience for him which has occurred irrespective of his actual wealth. His experience is the same.

In the same way a person can have the same experience of homophobia, irrespective of whether they are gay or not.

an oppression tourist

Oof.

I would say that Corran probably (I'm making assumptions) as a woman in the public eye experiences a good deal of sexism. To whit - an article that is all about her clothing, lack of make up, how she moves, her love life, etc.

She is railing against sexism, but that is not very fashionable or edgy at the moment, and has got muddled all up with 'genderbollocks', so she is railing against 'nonbinaryphobia'.

I do feel some sympathy for a woman who is struggling to live with the expectations placed on her as a female actor. It must be bloody awful to be treated like some kind of walking, talking doll. I can imagine attempting to identify out of it seems a rational route to take.

The trouble is that women can't actually identify out of sexism or biological reality.

It would be unusual for 'her people' not to have signed off the article. They could have asked for the reference to homophobia to be removed.

OK and if that multimillionaire complained about 'poverty', how do you think actual people on the breadline would feel?

Well there'd be a lot of disappointment as she's clearly female and straight as she is with a MAN.

Just for clarity, The Mail directly quote the Harper’s Bazaar piece - here’s a snapshot of the article.

Not just any man, a man who was the subject of criticism for being a straight actor playing a gay man, no less.

Yes. Which the type of people who dish put homophobic abuse almost certainly do subscribe to.

It's nothing to do with how she chooses to present or how you or I perceive her, and everything to do with how homophobes would perceive her and behave as a result.

Well, financial circumstances usually have an objectively quantifiable relationship to life experience and ability to buy food, achieve housing etc.

Discrimination and experience based on misogyny, homophobia, transphobia etc is a bit different as the shifting social circumstances influence these, and they are more inherently based on perception and individual experiences.

A gay person could with great fortune go through their life expecting no homophobia, and a straight person could experience a lot of negative experiences due to it in their social context because of how they are read by others, and the culture and attitudes that are prevalent at that time.

Hannah Gadsby talks about the abuse she gets for being read as a lesbian. She isn't going round wearing an "I'm a lesbian" badge. She gets that abuse because homophobes read her as lesbian. Same as EC is talking about.

This thread has shocked me.

Worst. Analogy. Ever🙄.

You can’t experience homophobia if you aren’t gay.

Are you a lesbian suggestionsplease1? If someone shouted “you fucking dyke!” at you as someone who isn’t a lesbian, do you think you experience that in the same way that an actual lesbian experiences it? You can experience offence because someone is being a dick and being homophobic and you can be offended that someone can be acting in such a way because any decent person should be outraged at someone expressing such open hatred and bigotry, but to say you experience homophobia the same as someone to whom it actually means something is offensive in itself IMO.

I have a certain skin tone. Someone called me a “fucking p*ki” when I was a kid. I’m not Asian. I didn’t experience racial discrimination in the same way as someone who is from Pakistan would experience the same slur. The person who said it was both hateful and stupid, but for me to claim to be a victim of racial discrimination would be wrong.

Yes to an extent. I'm white and straight at one stage in my life experienced homophobic slurs from men who assumed I was a lesbian. Far more often I came across racist people due to the fact my name is read as non white by people who don't know me.

The intent of the racists and homophobes is real.
The experiences were not pleasant. If they happened now (they've never happened whilst living in London) I would feel empowered to do something about it.

What I categorically would never do is claim that the experience of homophobic and racist people affected me even in any tiny way like it would have affected an actual lesbian or person of colour. And I would never ever seek to be their voice about racism and homophobia.

Huh?? Im so obviously female. Do I have to wear an actual large canvas sack to avoid being accused of buying into traditional stereotypes? I would look female in said sack. I would look female in cargo pants and a bomber jacket. I would look female in a man’s military uniform. I am female, and that is very clearly perceptible. Emma Corin is similarly built.

Exactly

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But would you describe it as homophobic abuse?

I'm a lesbian yes.

And actually I can easily anticipate that a straight person could potentially have a worse experience than me if someone shouted 'fucking dyke' at them. I'm pretty used to it now, water off a ducks back, but I can easily see how others could experience massive intimidation.

I also know how to read such situations to keep myself safe, which maybe a straight person might not do as instinctively.

Say that situation escalated, and in worst case scenario that person ended up assaulted and killed because of the attacker's homophobia.

Their experience of death is the same whether they are gay or straight; their being straight did not save them.