Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

EC presents, or 'is' as I prefer a woman with very short hair and a questionable choice in clothes. Neither make her 'look' lesbian unless you subscribe to aged stereotypes about lesbians.

Hannah Gadsby is a lesbian; Emma Corrin is not.

Although it is perfectly possible for a straight woman to receive homophobic abuse, that is not what has happened here- the Daily Mail (not Emma Corrin herself, I am happy to correct) claims that the 'backlash' EC has received for 'coming out' as non-binary is homophobic. It is not, because being anti-non-binary is not the definition of homophobia

The original article also used 'homophobia', fwiw. Sloppy journalism, perhaps unsurprising given the standard of the article itself which is also risibly badly written.

I prefer calling it attention seeking

More misgendering!

People may experience homophobia based on appearance but the claim was that the homophobic abuse was because of coming out as non-binary.

Yes, I would like to point out that I have long hair, wear some make up and wear women's clothes, and yet I have still experienced homophobia, because I am an actual lesbian, who does actual lesbian things, like have a wife and sometimes hold hands with her in public.

From the original article

" I ask about the swell of homophobia and transphobia they’ve faced since coming out as queer and nonbinary. ...
“The vitriol is worse than I anticipated,” Corrin reflects, pulling the collar of their jacket up against the wind. “Even though we like to think we’re in a progressive society, a lot of what we’re seeing is increasingly a step back.”"

If the journalist asked the question as printed, she didn't correct them.

I'm pretty sure Emma is aware the bigots will come out to play whatever language is used/ corrected.

By 'bigots' you mean lesbians who object to straight people claiming homophobia on the basis of hairstyle?

This thread is an exemplar of Queer Theory in action. Blurring the boundaries of gender, sexual orientation and the definitions of such, leading to people arguing about those definitions. Real discrimination doesn’t exist anymore; if anyone can be anything then anyone can claim to be on the receiving end of discrimination for whatever reason they choose. This is what they want.

Who is bigoted against heterosexual people?

I will happily give Harper's Bazaar their share of the blame, too!

If the journalist asked the question as printed, she didn't correct them.

I don't suppose she would, as she identifies as "queer" and "non binary', and both come under the trans umbrella according to the ultimate authority, Stonewall.

And "she" isn't misgendering. She is well-known to be of the female sex and no-one can get a GRC describing them as "non binary". As proved by more than one court case, the GRA is firmly binary.

By bigots I mean those people who target others on the basis of their perceived or actual sexuality or gender identity or queerness.

By bigots, do you mean people objecting to a wealthy, privileged woman pushing binding healthy body parts as if it was some kind of fun fashion choice?

If a woman gets abuse because of her hairstyle or clothing choices, that is sexism.

Women are subject to abuse because of being gender non conforming, this is not new.

If a person gets abuse because of their same-sex attraction (perceived or actual) that is homophobia.

Yes of course, bigotry takes many forms.

We need words to be accurate. It matters.

Blurring and confusing the words that we use to describe sexism, homophobia, lesbophobia, biphobia helps nobody.

actual sexuality or gender identity or queerness.

Queer theory in action: pretend all three of these things are real and overlap.

It reminds me of a brain teaser...Q. When is a heterosexual person not a heterosexual person.......A.When they say they're non binary but only date the opposite sex.

This is the fundamental problem with 'gender'. It confuses material reality with linguistics. It is not helpful to lump everything in together as One Bigotry To Rule Them All.

If one wants to address the problems, one has to see them clearly, explain them clearly, and see how they intersect with other issues. These can be complex and multifaceted societal problems with various factors, contexts and underlying reasons. Sexism often stems from woman-hatred, homophobia might be a denial of one's own same-sex attraction, for example. Those causes need to be looked at carefully if we are to find ways to overcome them.

The only reason to lump it all in together is to try and force team different groups and create a polarised 'us and them' situation. This is about self justification, 'othering' and creating a victim mentality. It's not useful. It's self defeating.

The problem iwth these narratives is that they fundamentally are not about solving inequalities or overcoming prejudice, because they are about power and creating groups, and entrenching those group identities.

See also Nicola Sturgeon claiming feminists concerned with women's rights are 'probably racist'.

If someone shouts 'fucking dyke' at Emma they are motivated by homophobia aren't they? And at that point Emma is also experiencing homophobia.

Now you haven't done a forensic interview of Emma's life experiences, and actually neither has Emma explicitly said that they have experienced homophobia.

But despite all of this it is perfectly plausible that Emma, like lots of people, gay or not, have experienced homophobia, as that is the motivating intention towards them.

Sturgeon didn't want to find a way through to help society live with more tolerance. She wanted to create a group of 'bad people' on the Wrong Side of History, in order to bolster her own position.

I saw a tik tok the other day with a they/them male talking about sexual assault. It was horrible tbh.

But he then said "even though I'm still read as male" and it's like, wtf, how can a grown adult truly believe that your internal sense of plural pronouns makes any difference at all to your external presentation?! I don't understand it.

And at that point Emma is also experiencing homophobia.

No. The person shouting it is expressing homophobia, but she is not experiencing homophobia anymore than anyone else in earshot.