Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

Heres the longer article the DM drew from:
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a60814103/emma-corrin-interview-june-july-2024/

I ask about the swell of homophobia and transphobia they’ve faced since coming out as queer and nonbinary. They first identified as LGBTQ+ in April 2021, when they posted a photo of themselves in a wedding dress with the caption “ur fave queer bride.” Later, in July 2021, they changed their pronouns on Instagram and posted photos of themselves wearing a chest binder.
“The vitriol is worse than I anticipated,” Corrin reflects, pulling the collar of their jacket up against the wind. “Even though we like to think we’re in a progressive society, a lot of what we’re seeing is increasingly a step back.”
This is a dignified understatement. Reading the comments on Corrin’s Instagram is a baptism in hate. Peel back the disturbing attitudes to body hair, the grammatical sniping, and the dogged insistence on the immutability of language and, post after post, they’re shamed and humiliated and told they’re dangerous, emotionally unstable. Their identity is always denied, always corrected.

So she gets asked about it by a journalist, gives a fairly honest but guarded answer and the response on here is to tear her apart because you don't agree with non-binary.

That isn't women supporting women is it?

Given your history of trans activism here, to be clear you’re an actual lesbian, or a male lesbian? Because you’ve exhibited on this thread you subscribe to Queer Theory where definitions are different.

And you think straight women who might be perceived as lesbians experience worse homophobia than actual lesbians because they’re not prepared for it? Really?

Lots of lesbians I know are supportive of trans identities and recognise homophobic abuse directed at GNC people (actual female lesbians I know, for clarity, not that it should be necessary to write that on here).

It's not OK to imply someone must be a man/trans/a TRA for discussing their own opinions that don't align with yours.

It comes across as shutting down women to me. Which is ironic.

That may be a product of where you get your news from.

Because in the actual article this is about, out of 2700 words, only about 400 had anything to do with their gender.

The remainder was predominantly about acting and the roles they have been in etc.

Actually it wouldn't be unusual. Subjects of an interview often do not get a veto over the finished product.

But of course this doesn't deal with what I asked - where does Corrin actually claim to have experienced homophobia?

I see that the "hate" mainly boils down to denying that she is non-binary and using correct sex pronouns.

Well, humans can't be non-binary, there are only two sexes and every individual is either one or the other. That is not hate, it is a provable, material scientific fact.

Can you quote some of my transactivism posts please? Perhaps you mean ones where I have pushed back against transphobia? Language is important.

I'm one of 'boring lesbians' you guys refer to.

Yes of course it is possible a straight person could have worse experiences than a gay person, motivated by homophobia, depending on the specific circumstances in question. Not generally likely, but perfectly possible.

The situations I've experienced have been racial discrimination and homophobic abuse.

Again, there is just no way my experiences compare to those of actual lesbians or people of colour. I'm aghast that this needs stating.

If I become famous overnight these aren't the experiences I'm going to be peppering my interviews with because I'd feel I was appropriating from lesbians and people of colour. I'm fairly sure neither group wants me to speak on their behalf.

Yes, sorry I was too blunt.
Lots of pp have said EC can't experience homophobic abuse because she's in a heterosexual relationship. I was referring to that - you did get homophobic abuse even if you feel it didn't affect you as much

But that's not what EC is talking about at all.

Your entire posting history, you’ve been around for years posting pro-TRA angles.

They can have worse experiences of course. But they’re experiencing worse things because of the perpetrators’ acts escalating, which invariably is due to male violence. And their acts can be motivated by homophobia. But that doesn’t mean the straight person is experiencing homophobia. They’re experiencing abuse. Bad abuse. Dangerous abuse. Abuse stemming from the perpetrator’s homophobia. Different though, isn’t it?

I’m surprised that a “boring lesbian” thinks a straight woman being called a “fucking dyke” is as hurtful to them as it would be for you, (the words themselves not the escalation of violence that might accompany it from the hateful person perpetrating it.)

I think it would be very nice to not be 'used to' homophobia. I don't think I'm luckier than straight women who get called a dyke just because I'm 'used to it'.

I've acknowledged that I was incorrect to say that EC themselves claimed to have experienced homophobia- the Harper's Bazaar journalist claimed it on their behalf, and EC didn't correct them.

And yet your OP is still incorrect and led to dozens of posts criticising EC for something they did not say.

I don't think it is that different myself.

If a person is assaulted because of an actual or mis perception that they are gay their bruises are the same, the length of time they spend in hospital is the same, their death is the same. They don't experience less disfigurement because they are straight. They don't experience less trauma from the assault.

Does telling them it wasn't actually homophobia that they experienced reduce their need to take painkillers? Or mean that they don't need an operation to fix a broken bone? Or mean that they will have to take less time off work to recover?

They’ve suffered a serious assault. They’ve suffered because the perpetrator was homophobic. They didn’t suffer it because they were gay, they suffered it because their attacker was stupid. They won’t have to consider hiding their sexual orientation from that point on to stop it happening again because there’s no homosexual orientation to hide. There’s no same sex partner to hide. They suffer the consequences of the assault the same as anyone suffers the consequences of assault, including the fear they may encounter an idiot again, but they don’t have to think about how to manage their openness about their sexual orientation from that point on, do they?

I cannot edit the original post, but I corrected it back on page 6.

The point of this thread was not to have a go at EC, it was to discuss the ridiculousness and offensiveness of the concept of homophobia being redefined, which is what most of the comments have been about.

They have to do the same as the gay person does; namely they have to manage the perception that others have that they are gay and could potentially experience abuse on that basis.

So yes, they might fear that because they go out socially with others who are read as gay they will continue to experience abuse. They might enjoy holding hands with their straight female friends and fear they have to stop doing that because they will be misread as gay. They might feel they have to change clothes, hair etc.

Their fear and behavioural changes might not be too different to a gay person after experiencing abuse based on misperception, as they are engaged in the same processes of attempting to manage other people's perceptions of them to try to keep themselves safe.

What is a 'boring lesbian', please?

No - most of the posts have been a pile on on Emma Corrin based on something they didn’t not say.

The abuse EC gets comes from the same root as the abuse lesbians get. The fact that lots of people cannot tolerate others not conforming with the expectations of their sex - e.g. should be heterosexual, should dress and act in ways congruent with gender stereotypes. For women this also extends to being sexually available and appealing to men; for men extends to not being a sexual threat to other men.

I don't care how EC identifies. Its clear from looking at how she presents she's not conforming with stereotypes, could easily be read as lesbian and therefore I expect she is getting abuse.

And I find it pretty abhorrent other women are sneering at her and implying she's making up/overstating that abuse because she says she is non binary.

Honestly. The mask has slipped on this one. What possible threat does EC pose to "womens sex based rights"? How does sneering at a woman who feels she's had to reject womanhood help anything at all?

From context, I presume it's the kind of lesbian who has a vagina.

So you’re saying that straight people desperately making sure they don’t come across “too gay” in public in order to avoid homophobic abuse is a sign that straight people are just as much victims of homophobic abuse as gay people?

So straight people have to be homophobic themselves in order to not get abused? And this is just as bad as being gay? Ok…

Why are you, a gay person, arguing that straight people have it “just as bad”? Makes no sense.

Clearly not what she's saying.

Maybe read her posts with an open mind, and think about EC as a woman who has suffered abuse rather than focusing on her "gender identity".

Women should not be suffering abuse because they are different. Feminists should be supporting them, not denying and minimising the abuse because they aren't a pure enough victim, and attacking other feminists for daring to disagree.

The ‘hate’ appears to amount to replies to social media posts, replies that EC claims in the article not to read.