Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

Do it! Get the buzz cut!

I thought she wasn't a woman if she says she is non binary?

People need to make their fucking minds up.

Someone who has same sex relationships is not "straight", regardless of how they identify.
Same as someone with a penis is not "female", regardless of how they identify.

So no, it's not hypocritical. And posters on here have precisely no idea of how she's been treated, and whether that happened when she was in same sex relationships, yet are adamant she couldn't suffer homophobia.

It is very strange.

Yes. I agree with this.
I don't think ridiculing people for their unhealthy behaviour helps them get over it.

Yep. Victims of patriarchy, but they choose it so there is no excuse. They need telling.

Meanwhile the men carry on as usual.

So you're not able to describe the 'hostility' EC has faced even though you claim to believe that it's typified by this thread. Interesting.

While also claiming to be a 'GC feminist' 🙃 Very strange.

I don’t think anyone would argue that if Emma Corrin has previously dated women and received abuse because of it, that’s homophobic and unacceptable. However it’s abundantly clear from the context of the article, the headlines about and the quotes taken from it that her co-option of a “queer” identity and the so-called “homophobic” abuse referred to here is based entirely on her self-identity as “non-binary”. That’s not something just inferred from a typical Daily Mail spin on the issue; even Pink News make it clear that it’s relating to her “coming out” (and using that term is in itself making a mockery of the genuine risk to gay men and lesbians that revealing their sexuality has had over the years) as NB.

It’s not helpful to make up hypothetical scenarios in order to berate women here who have a valid issue with privileged, fully grown women (Corrin was 25 when she first claimed to be NB) indulging in a luxury belief which is not just regressive but actively harmful to women and children. There is no evidence she has ever received homophobic abuse for dating women; there is plenty of evidence she is claiming that it was her announcement of being “non-binary” - a so-called gender identity, not a sexuality - that caused an online stir.

Corrin is no role model for young women, not while she disavows womanhood, enforces rigid sexist stereotypes and publicly indulges in breast binding.

Ah yes, and of course this will be the end point ...

1."It doesn't exist"

1. "Phobia can only occur when the target possesses the characteristic, and not when they are only perceived to possess the characteristic."

3." Therefore, as there is no such thing as non-binary or trans, neither can there be any discrimination, prejudice or abuse in these directions. So please pipe down and go away"

Am I roughly right? 😂

I am a GC feminist. In that I believe oppression of women is on the basis of their sex.
I'm not a GC feminist in the sense a) I think people can live and identify how they like as long as they aren't materially affecting others and b) I think some people genuinely have gender dysphoria resolved by transition .

I think visible GNC people like Emma Corrin are a good thing on the whole.

You don’t think promoting breast binding is ‘materially affecting others’. Ok. I disagree.

She doesn’t claim to be GNC. She says she is NB. Why do you keep talking over Emma?

I totally agree. Her claims of victimisation are offensive.

Although maybe she is so deeply privileged that this is the first time she has ever experienced adversity. Looks like she has handed life handed to her on a plate.

Agree with some of what you say, Adam, but I think people like EC actually undermine the acceptance of GNC people - ie women who don’t present themselves according to social expectations of what is feminine yet are loudly and proudly ‘women’; or men who present less culturally masculine but nevertheless feel and know they are ‘men’. By her non-binary labelling, she is both affirming the rigidity of those gendered stereotypes AND refusing to reject them because she is sidestepping the debate over them by claiming she is neither a man or a woman, but ‘other’.

People like EC make it harder for GNC people to just ‘be’ as they make third parties question their identity, where previously these people would previously just have been accepted as butch lesbians/tomboys or camp gays/metrosexual men - ie no-one would have questioned whether they question whether they are male or female. Instead, they are dragged into the ‘how do you identify and what are your pronouns’ debate, when they’ve been happily existing, living their lives, partnering up, parenting without being subject to such a public and invasive discussion of their private and personal identity and choices.

Just my opinion and probably explained poorly, but I think people like EC need to grow up…

She can't be GNC if she identifies as not having a sex.

You, like those reporting on Corrin (and potentially Corrin herself), insist on conflating sexuality and gender identity.

That's not what ppl mean by 'GC feminist' - they mean someone who opposes the misogyny and sexism of Gender Ideology. You support Gender Ideology by criticising women who oppose it.

Because on this board if I said NB and was considerate of her identity I'd get accused of being a TRA and asked loads of questions about what NB means as if I somehow buy into it.

So I'm using GC language for clarity. She is a GNC woman who identifies as NB. I think its a tribal thing like being an emo or a goth used to be and can't get too worked up about it.

She doesn't deserve abuse for it.

You don’t think promoting breast binding is ‘materially affecting others’. Ok. I disagree.

Do you also say the same about people "promoting" tattooing or body piercing by showing their piercing/tatts in photos?

Wow. “Breast binding is just like piercings and tattoos”. And you’re genuinely surprised that people question whether you’re GC?

Jesus Adam, you don't really think breast binding is on the same level as tatoos and piercing do you? It's a harmful practice physically and mentally.

I know someone my age who was an extremely GNC lesbian and her experience definitely wasn't "accepted as butch lesbians/tomboys or camp gays/metrosexual men".

I've also heard a lot of people be confused over how to refer to GNC people - e.g. calling them "it" or a "he she".

There has never been this time where its been OK to be GNC - there is always an element of society who will judge and abuse GNC people. I think much of that comes from homophobia.

"Because on this board if I said NB and was considerate of her identity I'd get accused of being a TRA and asked loads of questions about what NB means as if I somehow buy into it."

But you clearly do 'buy into it' when you say it's not a big deal, you dismiss the harm of breast binding and attack women for criticising Corrin's promotion of the ideology.

I don't think adults should be telling other adults what to do with their own bodies.

Piercing/tattooing are practices that cause permanent changes and carry risks. Of course not as harmful as breast binding, but I am trying to explore where others feel the line is regarding bodily autonomy.

I also don't think having some photos of "breast binding" that to all intents and purposes look like wearing a bandeau bra is "promoting" it. But that's just me.

Stop putting words into my mouth, thank you