JKR reprimanded by "feminist" "ally" for being unhelpful (to him).

[TinselAngel]

Be kind, ladies or Debbie will tell you off like one of his pupils.

archive.ph/2024.05.13-070326/www.spectator.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-is-playing-with-fire/

What a load of pish from Bait Beyond He.

it’s not clear to me why anyone should really care.

That really sums up the transgenderist attitude.

'Why do you care? We just want to pee in peace.'

'Why do you care? We just want to have what we want?'

'Why do you care, you old busybody?'

Ticks so many of the Rules of Misogyny.

Why do we care? Because we care about women. Because we care about our children's futures. Because we care about equality and equity. Because we care about more than just what we want.

But as I might ask children in my class who have said what they thought rather than what is wise: is it helpful? Is it necessary? And is it true? Unless all three answers are affirmative then maybe it is best not to say it at all.

Is what JKR said helpful? Yes it tells people the truth rather than a lie.

Is what JKR said necessary? Yes as some people still don't realise that transwomen are in fact men

Is what JKR said true. Yes.

So Debbie according to your own rules there is nothing wrong with what JKR tweeted as all three answers to your questions are to me affirmative in their answer.

Hayton has an issue because Rowling (and most of us here) can agree that a straight, white male suffering from gender dysphoria should be treated with respect, and not discriminated against…. While also recognising that said person is still a straight, white male. Really Debbie, what’s so hard about that?

She was saying words I don’t like. Maybe people will realise what I am.

MUST MAKE HER STOP

It was nice of Hayton to repeat JKR's remark verbatim, JKR has a sharp wit and it made me smile.

And JKR didn't say that Clark (or any other trans person, or any male person for that matter) shouldn't be a football referee, so I don't see what Hayton's huffing about.

I don't know much about football so I wonder if there are any (out) gay male referees.

What a knob 🙄

invoking Elon is a particularly pathetic appeal to authority

I have helpfully summarised the article with a gif

Given Hayton claims to be supportive of trans widows (a claim for which the world does not have a sufficient stock of eye rolls) you'd think he might use his platform to celebrate the withdrawal of the CPS guidance. But no, he spends it force teaming Elon Musk to keep JKR in line,

‘Is it true’ is an interesting one. Because the answer in this case is yes.

Why should I treat a self confessed AGP with respect?

This "treat people with respect" business. Respect is earned, not owed.

Anyone demanding it, isn't likely to be someone who's earned it.

I know Hayton dabbles here. So here’s my reply to the final paragraph:

It is helpful, because it was being reported as a New Progressive Thing when, as JKR points out, it’s merely the same old middle aged white blokes getting jobs.

It is necessary as there are still large sections of the public confused about what a transwoman is (a sizeable minority think it’s a woman wishing to pass as a man)

It is true. Obviously.

If a bloke wants to wear a frock and a wig to work and his work is ok with that, fine. I tend to see these as misogynistic appropriations and parodies, but let us assume he’s actually genuine and not engaging in AGP cosplay.

If he wants to present this as empowerment and breaking new ground as a woman, he can bugger off.

Hayton at his manipulative best.

Turning Rowling's assertion of

"I didn’t compare him to one. He IS one."

Into her wanting the individual to be unsafe.

Whether you agree with Rowling or not, her tone is remarkably different to the essay she wrote in 2020 when she set out her reasons for speaking out on sex and gender. Then, she wrote: ‘Trans people need and deserve protection’, and ‘I want trans women to be safe.’ Perhaps she has changed her mind in the four years that have passed?

This desperate TRA trope that recognising men as men makes them unsafe is getting a little old hat.

When Debbie says that Debbie is a man, is Debbie trying to make other trans people, or Debbieself, 'unsafe' too?

Oh is it just women who say it?

The quote-Tweet is possibly the most brutal weapon that exists on social media – especially in the hands of influencers with thousands of followers. Anything an opponent says can be captured and broadcast to your audience. Sarcasm, ridicule, or downright abuse then set the tone for the mob who can ‘pile on’ and deluge the original with more of the same, and worse.

is Debbie really attempting to accuse J. K. Rowling of being complicit in the abuse of trans people here?

Poor Debbie. Courting, sorry goading, Rolling does not end the way Debbie fondly imagines.

We like to be noticed and when the likes and (friendly) replies flood into the phone, dopamine can flood the brain. No matter who you are, this has the potential to become addictive
Social media followers then often demand increasingly direct and shocking posts to stay on board. Is this happening to Rowling?

Hahaha!!! Yes indeedy - JK Rowling, the most feted, famous, celebrated author on the planet, needs the likes, Debs.

As a piece of projection, it doesn't get more blatant.

J. K. Rowling getting involved seems to be rattling the ideologues from one end of the Internet to the other.

I have zero respect for Hayton or any of these men. I don't draw any distinction just because they make a claim that they support women to get publicity and attention. I think a lot of us probably feel vindicated though.

Man tries to put "uppity" woman back in her place. Twas ever thus.

Quite apart from anything else, Hayton needs to take responsibility for informing the entire world that for him, and many other men, it's a sexual fetish.

Who the fuck's going to respect that??

Debbie did all that! Not JKR.

In fact Hayton is probably directly responsible for the disillusionment of many women who imagined transwomen as fey homosexuals, not middle aged, straight cross dressers.

Trying to put a lid on that and taking the moral high ground?

I sometimes wish, that for five fucking seconds, I could have the blind arrogance of a man raised with this kind of entitlement.

It's so unladylike to "play with fire"......

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Interesting how transgender is most important when it is seen as a 'first' for trans - see also IW and the first transgender news reader bio - but when it is a first for a woman that it stolen by a TW the TW is a REAL woman no trans prefix allowed. Trans when it suits and real women when it suits - heads I win tails you lose.

High time to stop tolerating this shit.

I sometimes wish, that for five fucking seconds, I could have the blind arrogance of a man raised with this kind of entitlement.

Yep. Who the fuck do these people think they are? What DH means is that JKR's actions are not helpful to the likes of him. They are extremely helpful to the many people waking up to this bullshit.

it’s not clear to me why anyone should really care.

Not understanding the class of human you claim to identify with / as is a pretty fundamental issue. I have encountered plenty of males who do understand - including a couple with a trans identity - so sex and identity are not an excuse really.

Indeed. And it wouldn't be so bad if Debbie himself hadn't just made a ton of book money around the precise concept that Debbie himself is a man.

Debbie literally took the lid off AGP, told the whole world, made a bunch of money on the back of it, and now complains when someone else (a woman tho) merely recognises these men as male!!

The comments on that piece are glorious will screenshot some shortly 😄

It does seem that gender identity ideology is on the wane, at least in the UK. There are many people who helped to push it back, but JK Rowling is surely one of the most notable.

Oh, the modesty! It wasn't J. K. Rowling who told the world how many of these men are sexual fetishists. It was Debbie.

I wonder if she'll start talking about that now? Since Debbie has already told everyone.

Should be interesting.

During pronoungate (following Janice Turner’s book promotion interview) Hayton had loads of GC people and feminists like Turner and Bindel and Freeman and Stock lecturing women for being GC Ultra for not using female pronouns to describe Hayton.

Since JKR started her campaign against the Scottish Hate Crime Act by correctly sexing men who are claiming a women identity, I’ve noticed a lot of those public feminists follow her example which means them not always holding to their previous statements that it’s polite to use female pronouns for some AGP men.

I believe this change in their behaviour is very likely to irritate Hayton because 1) he likes being the AGP that is friends with GC feminists and allowed into women’s campaigns. And 2) Hayton likes having feminists rush to his defence online when his woman identity is challenged (in spite of his constantly telling the public that he knows he’s male and doesn’t mind correct sex pronouns).

How is Hayton’s article telling JKR off for correctly sexing men going down with the feminists who decried us as Ultras for doing what JKR has been doing recently?

While the news was clearly important to a social media account calling itself @prideukorg, it’s not clear to me why anyone should really care. Football management is open to both sexes, and whoever a club chooses to manage its team is a matter for it and its supporters. However, it bothered Rowling enough to tell her 14.1 million followers on Twitter <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.md/o/VSbCn/twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1789275573123964985" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">that, ‘When I was young all the football managers were straight, white, middle-aged blokes, so it’s fantastic to see how much things have changed.’

I thought the issue here was the disproportionate number of XY umpires compared with XX ones as a result of gender stereotyping and systemic discrimination against XX humans. It's not just about 'choice' as if the playing field was equal.