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JKR reprimanded by "feminist" "ally" for being unhelpful (to him).

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TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 12:08

Be kind, ladies or Debbie will tell you off like one of his pupils.

archive.ph/2024.05.13-070326/www.spectator.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-is-playing-with-fire/

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egginhotwater · 13/05/2024 16:04

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 15:03

It tends to be bro's before ho's with Glinner.

Well it clearly hasn't been seeing as he pissed off all the 'bro's' who gave him work and a livelihood, to support the women you are here calling a misogynistic term.

Zimunya · 13/05/2024 16:05

Gotta love JKR - ‘I didn’t compare him to one. He IS one’. Brilliant.

Fukuraptor · 13/05/2024 16:08

I think there was also a misunderstanding that post-operative TW were all (mostly?) the effeminate homosexual type, rather than the er heterosexual type. Yes many of them don't have surgery, but that doesn't mean none of them do.

(Or indeed that the other type are not problematic in women's spaces. We aren't obligated to open female spaces up to gay men)

Datun · 13/05/2024 16:09

DrSpartacular · 13/05/2024 15:59

Let's not forget this is the man who put boys in girls toilets across all schools in the UK.

And went for cosy lunches with Challenor Jr.

I'd half forgotten that.

it's so telling.

MFF2010 · 13/05/2024 16:13

Debbie is a wolf in sheeps clothing and is no ally to women, more like a Trojan horse 🤷‍♀️

Zodfa · 13/05/2024 16:15

The problem is, you say "transwomen aren't women but let's be nice to them anyway" and then transwomen treat you like the second coming of Hitler. It gets harder to be consistent on the "let's be nice to them anyway" part after that.

RimTimTagiTim · 13/05/2024 16:15

Hang on, so Debbie wrote a whole book about how he was really a man with AGP, and then someone points out that referee is also a man with AGP, and now Debbie's written an article about how awful it was that people know they are both men with AGP?

DrSpartacular · 13/05/2024 16:18

I'd like to see her apologise to all the women she chastised (and was truly vile to) for speaking the truth while she was complicit.

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 16:19

Amalfimamma · 13/05/2024 15:35

Oh ladies be kind! You know he vanity searches his name and he'll be reporting you all to HQ for dating have boundaries.

Tinsel, datum and others on this thread have been calling him out for years and deserves an apology from the women who defended him up until he published this piece.

Someone mentioned glinnerball. He's also been exposed as a massive misognystic knobber numerous times so who do you GAF what he says or endorses?????????

You were saying it too TBF, Amalfi.

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TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 16:20

RimTimTagiTim · 13/05/2024 16:15

Hang on, so Debbie wrote a whole book about how he was really a man with AGP, and then someone points out that referee is also a man with AGP, and now Debbie's written an article about how awful it was that people know they are both men with AGP?

I think it's only OK to say it if Debbie is making money out of it.

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RedToothBrush · 13/05/2024 16:20

Within the last hour or so:

Miffy AT miffythegamer
A billionaire with a massive platform who plucks someone from obscurity, who's just quietly getting on with their life (and who by all accounts is well regarded), simply to mock their very existence to their 14m follers for the shits and giggles is bullying.

J.K Rowling AT jk_rowling
Publicity-hungry men who declare themselves lesbians, go on TV to tell female athletes they 'need to be careful' about what they say, advocate for males' inclusion in women's sport and send women abuse for standing up for their rights aren't 'quietly getting on with their life.'
And she links to
Victoria Derbyshire AT VictoriaLIVE Mar 4 2019
“I wouldn’t say they’re transphobic, but they need to be careful what they tweet” Lucy Clark, football’s first transgender referee, reacts to comments of ex-sports stars like Sharron Davies and Martina Navratilova on trans athletes in women’s sports
(with video clip https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/1102519678809726976)

Might I suggest that there may be a double meaning/context to this tweet?

I mean Hayton literally just wrote a whole article telling JKRowling that she needs to be careful about what she says!

Or is this an unfortunately coincidence???

IdealHomeExhibition · 13/05/2024 16:26

CountingCrones · 13/05/2024 12:41

I know Hayton dabbles here. So here’s my reply to the final paragraph:

It is helpful, because it was being reported as a New Progressive Thing when, as JKR points out, it’s merely the same old middle aged white blokes getting jobs.

It is necessary as there are still large sections of the public confused about what a transwoman is (a sizeable minority think it’s a woman wishing to pass as a man)

It is true. Obviously.

If a bloke wants to wear a frock and a wig to work and his work is ok with that, fine. I tend to see these as misogynistic appropriations and parodies, but let us assume he’s actually genuine and not engaging in AGP cosplay.

If he wants to present this as empowerment and breaking new ground as a woman, he can bugger off.

The only place men should wear wens clothes for work is the Christmas panto! Other people really shouldnt be dragged into agps fetishes by being forced to see it on their way to and from or at work. Exhibitionism is obviously a big part of it.

Snowypeaks · 13/05/2024 16:28

or winning business woman of the year when only dressing "as a woman" part time

Excuse the nit-picking, but it doesn't really matter whether they wear women's clothes full or part time. At no time are they women.

Fukuraptor · 13/05/2024 16:29

What a difference a fortnight makes:
https://archive.ph/WCDl3

I presume Hayton knows Clark personally or otherwise identifies with the individual to have changed opinion about JKR so rapidly.

I did laugh a bit about the byline:
Debbie Hayton is a teacher and journalist. Her book, Transsexual Apostate – My Journey Back to Reality is published by Forum

Not that far back to reality if still using her/she.

Fukuraptor · 13/05/2024 16:32

Snowypeaks · 13/05/2024 16:28

or winning business woman of the year when only dressing "as a woman" part time

Excuse the nit-picking, but it doesn't really matter whether they wear women's clothes full or part time. At no time are they women.

Of course not. I was just pointing out how low effort men can be and still be lauded in some quarters as being as good as or better than actual women who are women 24/7.

Snowypeaks · 13/05/2024 16:35

That's a good article by Julie Bindel. a bit self-exculpatory, but I will let that go. We're basically all on the same side, but we don't have to like each other.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2024 16:38

I mean Hayton literally just wrote a whole article telling JKRowling that she needs to be careful about what she says!

Or is this an unfortunately coincidence???

I think JKR weighed her words quite deliberately there.

Fukuraptor · 13/05/2024 16:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2024 16:38

I mean Hayton literally just wrote a whole article telling JKRowling that she needs to be careful about what she says!

Or is this an unfortunately coincidence???

I think JKR weighed her words quite deliberately there.

She is an excellent writer with a wicked sense of humour, she is after all the person who created Fred and George Weasley.

RedToothBrush · 13/05/2024 16:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2024 16:38

I mean Hayton literally just wrote a whole article telling JKRowling that she needs to be careful about what she says!

Or is this an unfortunately coincidence???

I think JKR weighed her words quite deliberately there.

Her timing is always impecible isn't it???!

Melroses · 13/05/2024 16:50

Fukuraptor · 13/05/2024 16:29

What a difference a fortnight makes:
https://archive.ph/WCDl3

I presume Hayton knows Clark personally or otherwise identifies with the individual to have changed opinion about JKR so rapidly.

I did laugh a bit about the byline:
Debbie Hayton is a teacher and journalist. Her book, Transsexual Apostate – My Journey Back to Reality is published by Forum

Not that far back to reality if still using her/she.

Like everything else, it is a New Definition of reality.

JellySaurus · 13/05/2024 16:51

We like to be noticed and when the likes and (friendly) replies flood into the phone, dopamine can flood the brain. No matter who you are, this has the potential to become addictive

Are you talking about yourself, Hayton, and your reaction when people pretend you are a woman?

MillOnTheGoss · 13/05/2024 16:52

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Amalfimamma · 13/05/2024 16:54

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 16:19

You were saying it too TBF, Amalfi.

But sure no-one listens to me.

Let's hope Mr Hayton and his enablers now all feck off and leave women alone.

RedToothBrush · 13/05/2024 16:55

Do you think it was the comments about the referee or this that led Hayton to tell JK Rowling what she should or should not say?

J.K Rowling AT jk_rowling
Calling a man a man is not 'bullying' or 'punching down.' Crossdressing straight men are currently one of the most pandered-to demographics in existence, and women are under no obligation to applaud the people caricaturing us.

The fascinating thing about Hayton is the need for being applauded by women...