Stonewall admit they didn't understand.

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x.com/stonewalluk/status/1782463071866286105?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

And they're still reading it

www.stonewall.org.uk/cass-review

Aah, I was going to ask about this 9000 PERTH study.

Robin Moira White was talking in professionally measured and reasoned tones to Andrew Doyle the other day.

Andrew Doyle still managed to show he was spouting shyte, though.

Bernard Lane explains the Perth study

https://x.com/bernard_lane/status/1782368666614747374?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

OK, this Perth study looked at whether or not re-identification with birth sex was the reason for closure of a referral. The reported result is 5.3% They looked at referrals from 2014 to 2020, which gives the impression of a long period of time.

However, they do no report the median time from the opening of a referral to closure, which could be relatively short.

That is the period in which they are looking for stability of a trans identity. They know nothing about what happens to trans identity after closure of a referral or after the patient hits age 18. Previous studies suggest it may take 7-10 years for transition regret to manifest itself.

More links here x.com/bernard_lane/status/1782374252337049718?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

I thought the funniest part of that interview was Robin's final, triumphal slide, stating that 'The Cass Review report does not conclude that puberty supressing hormones are an unsafe treatment.'

Yes we know - the point is that it finds the evidence in their favour is remarkably weak.

I thought Andrew Doyle let that go a bit too easily although to be fair to them both, RMW seems to be the only person prepared to appear on the show to debate the other side, and I imagine Doyle is very aware of that and trying not to come across as overly combative.

Do we suspect Stonewall, despite their close connection to RMW and which must be a major indirect source of income (RMW has faffed with the briefs in many tribunals), had left RMW off the list of contacts when they busily updated them as to the nature of their error in re: Cass? "Frankly, not to put too fine a point on it, we didn't read it but took the word of other people who also hadn't read it but sounded like they knew what they were talking about."

RMW is still retwiXing criticism of Cass, even after Dawn Butler and Stonewall.

I can't begin to outline the many errors that RMW made when speaking to Doyle. I should think that this obdurate refusal to accept reality in re: Cass will not present RMW in a good light to future employers who may now be wary of a reputational cascade.

Again, may I recommend that anyone who wants a very readable, free book or even the free audiobook should go to Testing Treatments. Or, anyone who wants to opine about fair tests, clinical trial design, and what good methodology looks like.

https://en.testingtreatments.org/

A masterful translation. Thank you! 👏

Because they’ve got away with lying for years!
SW tell their lies, people such as MPs, celebs , “journos” and even broadcasters, repeat those lies and before you know it, it becomes “fact”.
I was just saying to DH that I think this is a real turning point, with Stonewall and MPs having to correct themselves, rather than sit laughing at their misinformation being taken as fact.

When I watched that I wondered if RMW takes estrogen. For someone who must have at one point been quite clever and able to mount a logical argument, as a lawyer, he seemed remarkably fuzzy. Speaking in a weird monotone voice but not able to elecuidate the point he was trying to make or what he was trying to say. Very, very unlike the barristers I know, who are remarkably lucid. I wondered if we were seeing the negative effects of wrong sex hormones on cognitive function which we know happen to children, happening to an adult as well? (ironically an adult lobbying for such treatment to be given to children).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2815512

I guess RMW meant this study with a cohort of 548 not 9000

I know what you mean, he often doesn't seem about to think or speak clearly on this issue. I tend to think it's more likely to be caused by the cognitive dissonance of having to speak in favour of a totally illogical and discredited belief system. Neurological and linguistic studies (proper high quality ones ;-)) have consistently shown that lying and confabulating place humans under a certain amount of stress and, if they don't believe or are unconfident in what they are saying, can result in poor speech, cognition and delivery when under pressure.

They couldn't correctly read the graph they had provided

My favourite thing there was that the Cass graph RMW was complaining went up to 1700 per year, and RMW's showed that it went up to 2700 per year, hence an even bigger increase!

But not being very numerate, RMW thought the shape of the second one somehow made it look less significant.

I really hate this 'I didn't understand' excuse from grown ass adults who've been profiting to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds by making things up and misrepresenting the law (which presumably they also 'didn't understand').

It's sometimes acceptable for a child to use this as an excuse when they've done something very obviously bad and truly didn't understand (although even then, there are times it's clearly just an excuse and not true) but totally ridiculous for Stonewall to use it. It's insulting to the people they've harmed.

They need to say sorry, and divert their funding towards care for detransitioners and LGB youth being harmed by this ideology.

I wasn't sure where to put this, or even if it deserves it's own thread. Anyway an article from the Times on Cass misinformation ground zero (unless someone got in first)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cass-author-condemns-misinformation-spread-by-trans-lawyer-b5t9hd92m

https://archive.ph/ea0Vi bypass the shonky stone...sorry...paywall

Al is doubling down, but I don't think there were any apologies even when people acted on the calls to go for politicians who didn't chant the mantras.

They need to say sorry, and divert their funding towards care for detransitioners and LGB youth being harmed by this ideology

Well yes. If Stonewall actually was a campaigning group for lesbians and gays, it would have been raising concerns about Tavistock and the extraordinarily high numbers of gay and lesbian children it was medicalising and transitioning. Their campaigning would have been to protect these gay and lesbian children.

What a clear example of a total failure of an organisation.

RethinkingLife · Today 08:29

Ben Cooper has a support wren. Does RMW have the support peacock?

Brass necked blaggers

The support peacock is in Moley's image above (it's not a TwiX banner if that's not clear).

I saw and commented on Mole's effort. Bob White blocked me ages ago, for being truthful.

No. You can't FOI Stonewall because they aren't a public body and you can't FOI an MP either.

A massive loophole in FOI that allows all sort of lobbying shenanigans to happen in secret.

Thanks I thought that might be the case when I read on another thread it had to be a public body

What a shame, they are such a malign influence on politics and policy

I’d like to see them go

The Stonewall document might have been sent to a government department or friendly local authority. Both of which can be FOI'd.

No. You can't FOI Stonewall because they aren't a public body and you can't FOI an MP either.

But there has been some success in FOIing public bodies to find out what advice they were given by Stonewall, hasn't there?

There is of course pushback about "commercial confidentiality" (which in other cases often seems to be the point of outsourcing - putting up that barrier to transparency), but I seem to recall there was some success nonetheless.

In my opinion, the group of globalists who have been pushing trans humanism ever since sex ops have been identified as an ‘emerging market’ worth billions. Whether every single person supporting the TRA agenda knows about this, I doubt.

I suspect the same group is behind the law fare on women’s rights we have seen sweeping across the West.

The taxpayers fund puberty blockers and sex ops in the name of ‘inclusivity’. Not a bad deal for those who happen to have invested in this market. Not only do they make millions, they can also feel morally superior.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Btw, personally I don’t agree with race/sex bashing on principle but the title of this article kind of exposes the hypocrisy of the TRAs.

Caraballo said: “I stand by my original statement, which described how the Cass review excluded 43 studies from the synthesis while several moderate quality studies showing positive outcomes were referenced in the results section but were ignored entirely in the conclusion.
“Ultimately, the Cass review disregarded a substantial portion of the available medical evidence based on subjective criteria.”

I particularly enjoyed the final sentence. The Cochrane Handbook is online and free to access for people who want to see the defined criteria for grading evidence, what is included in the systematic review and meta-analysis, what is included in a narrative review or discussion etc.

The criteria are set out in lucid and extensive detail. Harvard, Caraballo's employer, might wish Caraballo to read it before enmeshing them in further reputational harm about the quality of some of their staff appointments.

https://training.cochrane.org/handbook/current/chapter-i

They understood something coherent from Billy Bragg other than 'biological women are beneath me'?