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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stonewall admit they didn't understand.

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WarriorN · 22/04/2024 18:57

x.com/stonewalluk/status/1782463071866286105?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

And they're still reading it

www.stonewall.org.uk/cass-review

Stonewall admit they didn't understand.
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WarriorN · 22/04/2024 20:28

Demonstrates how much those in power were actually under the power of stonewall.

Stonewall was the real shadow political party.

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Swashbuckled · 22/04/2024 20:29

I wonder if they'll now admit to not understanding a range of other things too?

lonelywater · 22/04/2024 20:29

PronounssheRa · 22/04/2024 20:23

Butlers apology for unintentionally misleading the house is appalling. Even when wrong she still blames others.

read on the Wings over Scotland twitter feed the other day from someone claiming that Butler had been paid by GLAAD over 46, 000 quid. Every day really is a school day.

Floisme · 22/04/2024 20:32

I hadn't seen that, just read someone tweeting about it - thanks!

UltraLineHolder · 22/04/2024 20:32

Toseland · 22/04/2024 19:53

I've often wondered where Stonewall get their ideas - do you think they are following another group?

GLAAD?

EasternStandard · 22/04/2024 20:33

WickedSerious · 22/04/2024 20:03

They should do us all a favour,fold and fuck off

Yep

Rainbowshit · 22/04/2024 20:39

When is the penny going to drop that Stonewall cannot be trusted.

Swashbuckled · 22/04/2024 20:40

They seem to have realised that throwing a tantrum isn't going to work in the face of scientific research.

They're trying out being strategic, rather than raging, in a bid to hold on to their positional power. You've got to hand it to them; they can change to a completely opposite state in the blink of an eye. Who'd have thought it.

lonelywater · 22/04/2024 20:42

Swashbuckled · 22/04/2024 20:40

They seem to have realised that throwing a tantrum isn't going to work in the face of scientific research.

They're trying out being strategic, rather than raging, in a bid to hold on to their positional power. You've got to hand it to them; they can change to a completely opposite state in the blink of an eye. Who'd have thought it.

these people are desperate-there are mortgages at stake here.

Swashbuckled · 22/04/2024 20:49

@lonelywater 🤣

Yes, there are mortgages (and more) at stake. Are we witnessing them ACCEPTING the current situation, and adapting to in order to survive? Because I never thought I'd see the day...

RethinkingLife · 22/04/2024 20:56

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/04/2024 19:09

"Engagement with NHS England will be an important part of our ongoing work"...
One small bit of progress is that NHS England have dumped the Stonewall diversity scheme. But Stonewall are so embedded in the NHS that prising them away from influencing the healthcare of vulnerable children for their own political ends will be bloody difficult.

NHS England might have left Stonewall WEI but I should think many individual Trusts are still SW subscribers and members and take their training.

Other threads on FWR show how many Trusts are willing to double down on

  • eroding women's sex-based rights
  • refusing to implement Cass recommendations
despite NHS key figures stating otherwise.
WarriorN · 22/04/2024 20:58

But Stonewall are so embedded in the NHS that prising them away from influencing the healthcare of vulnerable children for their own political ends will be bloody difficult.

And schools. And the unions.

Public inquiry now

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AlisonDonut · 22/04/2024 20:59

Why would they engage with NHS, they aren't medical experts?

Fork orf and shorve eet oop yeur feckin arse Sternwarl.

Swashbuckled · 22/04/2024 21:00

@WarriorN

I agree.

RethinkingLife · 22/04/2024 21:05

AlisonDonut · 22/04/2024 20:59

Why would they engage with NHS, they aren't medical experts?

Fork orf and shorve eet oop yeur feckin arse Sternwarl.

They influence specialist commissioning groups, guideline implementation, workplace policies, the language of units/policies/documents…

WarriorN · 22/04/2024 21:07

They influence specialist commissioning groups, guideline implementation, workplace policies, the language of units/policies/documents…

.... and pretty flags.

Stonewall admit they didn't understand.
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Swashbuckled · 22/04/2024 21:07

WarriorN · 22/04/2024 20:28

Demonstrates how much those in power were actually under the power of stonewall.

Stonewall was the real shadow political party.

Wow!
You're right; great, albeit chilling, observation.

RethinkingLife · 22/04/2024 21:20

WarriorN · 22/04/2024 21:07

They influence specialist commissioning groups, guideline implementation, workplace policies, the language of units/policies/documents…

.... and pretty flags.

Read the NHS Trusts that made it into the top 100 in Stonewall's WEI. See NHS England at position 68 and the number of NHS leaders who will have been reprimanded because of this and told to ally harder.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/top-100-employers/full-list

And they're a small number of those that actually competed to have a place on this but didn't make the top 100.

I see Royal College of Psychiatrists is still fighting there at position 90.

The Full List: Top 100 Employers 2023

Our Top 100 Employers 2023. Below is the full list of all organisations that make up our Top 100 Employers 2023.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/top-100-employers/full-list

EasternStandard · 22/04/2024 21:28

They need to disband and find other jobs

Livinghappy · 22/04/2024 22:08

We have updated our MP contacts over the weekend to reflect these clarifications

I found that alarming...they spread misinformation to MPs who can't think for themselves and as well as being thick they can't be arsed to read the report. Dawn Butler is obviously one but who else?

Anyone who listens to Stonewall need to be named and shamed. Kier needs to take action immediately.

FlakyPoet · 22/04/2024 22:20

Livinghappy · 22/04/2024 22:08

We have updated our MP contacts over the weekend to reflect these clarifications

I found that alarming...they spread misinformation to MPs who can't think for themselves and as well as being thick they can't be arsed to read the report. Dawn Butler is obviously one but who else?

Anyone who listens to Stonewall need to be named and shamed. Kier needs to take action immediately.

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Yes. It’s disturbing that there are a group of MPs, who, instead of reading, digesting and forming an opinion, attend a Stonewall briefing to know what position to take.

Imnobody4 · 22/04/2024 22:21

They are still intent on carrying on as before.
Beyond our concerns about building the capacity needed into these services, we are highlighting these key considerations at this stage:

  • Social transition: Dr Cass has not called for adolescents to have their right to their identity or autonomy removed. Nor did Dr Cass recommend a blanket ban on social transitioning for children of any age. Most significantly, Dr Cass did not support unilateral ‘outing’ of trans young people by schools. There are clear gaps between recommendations and practical policy, and we’re already hearing early reports of Dr Cass’ analysis of – and recommendations about – social transition being used to challenge trans young people’s right to identity.
o Initial opinion: We are concerned that Dr Cass’ recommendations are being misrepresented in discussions around the draft guidance for schools and colleges in England on supporting ‘gender questioning children’, and may be misrepresented to justify restrictions on children and young people’s right to identity in school.o Next actions: Along with our partners in the children and young people, trans, LGBTQ+, and children’s rights movements, we will continue advocating to the Department for Education for guidance that supports trans and gender diverse children and young people to thrive at school.

fiftypercentoff · 22/04/2024 22:26

Stonewall in panic mode

fromorbit · 22/04/2024 22:28

Good points from Helen Joyce. Stonewall basically made supporters who tried to defend them look stupid because Stonewall deliberately misinterpreted the report. People with power don't like that. Stonewall is losing support, from anyone with any sense.

Helen Joyce@HJoyceGender
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The Cass Report was admirably clear on how the research had been graded. The only people who got this wrong are those who didn't actually read it, & relied instead on online peddlers of misinformation. MPs should remember who gives them accurate briefings, and who doesn't

https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender

RethinkingLife · 22/04/2024 22:36

fromorbit · 22/04/2024 22:28

Good points from Helen Joyce. Stonewall basically made supporters who tried to defend them look stupid because Stonewall deliberately misinterpreted the report. People with power don't like that. Stonewall is losing support, from anyone with any sense.

Helen Joyce@HJoyceGender
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The Cass Report was admirably clear on how the research had been graded. The only people who got this wrong are those who didn't actually read it, & relied instead on online peddlers of misinformation. MPs should remember who gives them accurate briefings, and who doesn't

Link for this for those who want to bookmark it: https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1782467552418893895

True believers will still cleave to Stonewall whatever they do. Witness a familiar figure's ill-timed denigration of the Cass Review on another thread, mere minutes before Dawn Butler corrected the House's record on those self-same points and identified Stonewall as the source of that (mis)information.

https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/1782467552418893895

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