Older generations show resistance to trans rights

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"Millennials and Gen Z tend to be overwhelmingly supportive of trans people, having grown up in a more inclusive environment, while older generations show far more resistance to trans rights, likely intimidated by the speed of social change."

Is this your experience?
There appears to be an overwhelming support for gender critical beliefs on Mumsnet.
Is it because it's mainly older generations engaging in this debate?

How old are you and what are your views?

I am 45yo and I mostly support trans rights (with the exception of trans athletes competing in woman's events and I agree puberty blockers is a grey area)

A few questions.

1. Male and female rights and protections are currently equitable, or roughly equitable. How would you go about abolishing this equity and amalgamating them?
2. How would you go about creating a unisex space whilst ensuring the safety of both the more physically vulnerable sex, and disabled people? How would you factor in rape victims, religious women and any other woman who cannot be around men? Bearing in mind that safeguarding is also there to protect more powerful people (e.g. men around women, adults around children) from accusations, how would your new spaces achieve this?
3. Given that mediocre male athletes can outperform even the best female athletes in much the way a shark can outswim Michael Phelps, how would you ensure fairness and opportunity for female athletes to shine? How would you make sure women partaking in sports are not seriously injured by much stronger players?
4. How do all of your proposed solutions offer benefits that the current solutions do not?

I can only assume you've never played sport or watched sport of any kind, to want more mixed sport. The integrity of any sporting achievement is flushed down the toilet if men are allowed to compete against women.

What does "strongly gender neutral" mean?

😂Oh I’m not a young thing at all! Should edit to say “ some” older people. And I think that’s the attitude of my kids generation; they think it’s all nonsense - it’s their 30 and 40 something teachers who are all earnest about gender.

There's quite a bit of conflation between trans issues and differences of sexual development going on in this thread.

There are people born with DSDs. Their issues are different to those with gender related distress, although some may experience both.

For those with gender distress, their issues are not determined by their sex, we know this as both males and females experience gender distress. Over time, we may discover that some gender distress has organic origins. Whether or not this is found to be the case, we will still be dealing with males with gender distress or females with gender distress.

The idea that you can alleviate the distress by changing someone's sex is ludicrous, this can't be done. Clearly, the focus should be on helping someone reconcile their thoughts and feelings so they can accept their sexed body. Everyone should be able to have freedom around gender expression and gender based stereotypes shouldn't restrict anyone's choices or behaviours.

@FlemishHorse
I think it’s perfectly possible that some humans that present as men have “a sense of self” as female. I’m happy to accept that they are females, who have suffered a genetic/hormonal accident in their early development.

In the case where "sense of self" doesn't align with biology, why assume the biology is the accident and not that sense? What if that sense shifts over time? We know the biology is fixed.

There are also people who have a sense of being a different age, ethnicity or species. A friend teaches at a school where one child's sense of self is as a farmyard animal. Clearly that child being born human wasn't just a hormonal accident.

I’m 40 and I don’t know anyone who thinks it’s a good idea to force teenage girls to get changed in front of of boys, put rapists together with rape victims in women’s rape centres and prisons, cut off healthy body parts then medicalise the victim for life at taxpayer expense,or sterilise autistic children because they’ve noticed that puberty sucks.

I’m not sure what trans rights you mean though. Is it the right to be humoured by women all of the time? The right to watch women get undressed and listen to us toilet? The right to physically dominate us in sports? What rights don’t they have?

Younger generations are more ‘inclusive?’ You wish. ‘Trans Rights’ is just code for a variation on the misogynistic bullshit that people like Tate have been spewing for the last decade.

Where's the quote from?

It's helpful, if using a quote to support an argument, to cite the source.

Ah i see the beeee kind brigade are as usual not just happy with ageism but proud promoters of it

I think OP is hoping for an opportunity to make some pathetic ageist accusations so I'll start...
Of course gen x think trans is a pile of steaming horseshit nonsense we grew up in a time when being educated enough to understand basic biology was normal. Oh, and individuality was considered fine rather than mindlessly parroting the mantras of the biggest bullies in the room.

And I'm 93 you know!

What about the ones who pop a dress and heels on for the weekend, as it turns them on? Do you you accept them with sympathy as women?

And the ones who aren't confused about their gender at all, they've just put a skirt on to gain access to young girls in safe spaces. Or to succeed in a sport they're otherwise garbage at. Do you accept them and sympathise too?

If the answer isn't yes to all, can we please have your advice on how you tell the difference between them? In a scientific way, of course.

53 and probably similar to you.
Being older doesn't make anyone's view less valid.

And yet your science based university education failed to teach you the massive inherent difference in sexed bodies when it comes to sport

Oh and are the screenshots from this going to be on Twitter or some TRA Facebook group?

I am between 25,000 and 35,000 years old.

Sadly, neither sexism nor misogyny are likely to turn gender neutral any time soon. We need to be able to name the female sex, collect statistical data on sex discrimination and sexual violence etc to combat those two. Without our language we can't address FGM or sex-selective abortions or the infanticide of girls or sex trafficking or even the Andrew Tate phenomenon.

I will be gender neutral in a sex-equal world, but not until then.

YOUR MUM'S A TERF!

I don’t know any millenials who aren’t GC.

You do realise that if a man has a physical advantage over a woman in sport, he also has a physical advantage to attack her in a private space meant for women right?

With regards to sport, i know a male former Olympian. He's 6' 7" tall.

I've previously suggested he should come out of retirement and compete as a woman. He'd easily win 10+ gold medals in track & field. He could then use the publicity to host a press conference to renounce his medals and call bullshit on the whole concept of self-ID.

Unfortunately, he's not so keen on the idea.

Potential physical advantages in sports bad. Potential physical advantages to rape vulnerable women in prisons or hospital ward all fine and dandy? So enlightened, so compassionate, so inclusive!

This is a taken from quote. I think it came from a JKR statement. Picked out, not a direct copy:

The Forstater ruling established that gender critical views can be protected in law as a philosophical belief. No law compels anyone to pretend to believe that s trans person is a woman.

The Gender Recognition Act 2004 entitles trans to apply for a certificate that says he's a woman. Nowhere does it say that if trans gets a GRC, any private citizen has to pretend he's a woman - let alone provide that it's a criminal offence not to.

They can dress how they want. But they can't force me to believe that they are a woman.

As Sir Robert Winston says, you can't change sex. Fact.

Oh look a sealion.

What the OP fails to acknowledge is that this isn't about 'transrights'. It's about an erosion of women's rights and the lack of regard for the law which states that there are sex based rights and gender reassignment rights and that rights need to be balanced. There is no hierarchy of rights where one group is the most oppressed. And there are explicit sex based rights with exemption to protect women's privacy and dignity which are not being upheld. Nor are issues surrounding homosexual women and their rights. Nor are rights to do with religious women.

This isn't about being 'anti-trans' or removing anyone's rights but actually women having the rights recognised and not ridden roughshot over and disregarded. This matters.

Sex matters. Gender is not sex.

Can't see sex, can't see sexism.