Older generations show resistance to trans rights

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"Millennials and Gen Z tend to be overwhelmingly supportive of trans people, having grown up in a more inclusive environment, while older generations show far more resistance to trans rights, likely intimidated by the speed of social change."

Is this your experience?
There appears to be an overwhelming support for gender critical beliefs on Mumsnet.
Is it because it's mainly older generations engaging in this debate?

How old are you and what are your views?

I am 45yo and I mostly support trans rights (with the exception of trans athletes competing in woman's events and I agree puberty blockers is a grey area)

I think you must know op that mumsnet is hardly representative of the real world on this issue

It's far more representative of the real world than whatever odd genderist echo chamber you hang out in. See any poll. There is little public support for self ID, transitioning of children and male bodies in women's sports and spaces.

So where do you stand on trans women being in women’s single sex DV shelters, rape crisis centres, hospital wards, prisons?

Gen X - think you can wear whatever the hell you like (within the bounds of being situational appropriate), chose what ever name you want to be called, should not be discriminated against e.g. rejected for a job/ housing contract etc. Think that sex is binary and immutable but is irrelevant in many situations e.g. at a table in a cafe, in the queue for a bus but where it does matter it really REALLY matters and therefore as humans can't change sex single sex spaces, sports etc need to be single sex not single gender.

I'm 56. I helped 2 male friends to transition to appear female back in the 2000s. I told both of them never to try to attempt to access women only spaces for all the reasons we women understand. Whilst both seemed to accept it back then I've lost touch with them, so I have no idea what they are doing now. Funny that eh? As soon as they got their 'lady wings' they dumped me.

But I wish I knew then what I know now. At the time I thought I was 'being kind' and being a good friend. No bloody way would I do ever that again.

With hindsight both had AGP. It wasn't something I'd ever heard about back then, but no woman goes out to walk the dog wearing a thong and stockings and suspenders under a long coat. Which they both did. And don't bother telling me it never happened. It bloody well did.

They used say that about homosexual people.

How a man can desire another man?
Biologically it doesnt make sense right?

The opening statement tries to pass itself off as factual but its an opinion. OP would benefit from spending some time learning about propaganda, so that statements like ''resistance to trans rights'' can be seen as value laden and judgemental, rather than a statement of fact.

Older women are more likely to be the ones who had to do the grunt work fundraising and fighting for the rights and facilities you take for granted, and casually throw away.

I don’t believe millennials and gen z grew up in a more inclusive environment. Certainly females in these groups haven’t. In my lifetime (born 79 so just in gen x) gendered expectations have become much more rigid and binary, which I think has had a big impact on the numbers of girls identifying as transgender.

In the 80s and early 90s women were really free to push boundaries and encouraged to reject gender stereotypes. For men it wasn’t as easy, but men were growing their hair and wearing makeup if they wanted and it seemed there was an acceptance in parts of society for this. It felt like we were moving to a more tolerant society.

i think the internet broke it all. In the 21st century the women in media seemed to become more sexualised. I stopped watching music channels because so many videos were so grim. When I had my children most of the clothes and even most toys were sold as gendered. Make up has become so much more extreme, cosmetic surgery more normal, and what is with removing all body hair at all times?

In my opinion we have children and young adults believing that if they don’t conform to these quite extreme gendered expectations they are the wrong sex. For gen X we didn’t question our sex we questioned the gendered expectations. In my opinion believing that sex can’t change isn’t intolerant, gendered expectations of sex are.

I am an older poster. Yes, I support trans rights. No, I didn’t vote for Brexit.

This ageist shit comes up so often.

Whilst I am at it, I didn’t buy a cheap house in the 70s and make loads of money out of it. I don’t have a massive fuck off pension either.

I believe they have a genuine need and right (based on internal sense of self) to identify as a woman, to be called a woman, to wear female clothes without being ridiculed, to use women's bathroom

What about those male people who have the sexual fetish that they like dressing up as their idea of a "woman". They are as much "trans women" according to stonewall etc. So do you think their "need" counts more than women's to not be involved in male fetishes?

I'm 33 and support anyone's right to dress or be named how they like and be treated with respect, but also support women's rights to have sex based facilities and to be able to compete in female only sports, and think the mental health support for children/teenagers needs to be hugely improved, there shouldn't be any physical harm caused by medications or operations for under 18s, and noone should be scared to give mental health support just because identity has been mentioned as a possible element.

Your first paragraph is inside quote marks. What is that you are quoting from?

The ‘generations’ don’t fit into easy categories here.
I don’t know if you are from this country, but I have found yr7 to yr9 most into the gender ideology stuff - particularly girls. This corresponds to them not wanting to be feminine if feminine is the over sexualised version they are seeing and the boys around them are seeing on social media. By yr11 to yr13 ( which fits into generation Z ) many girls and boys are so sick of gender ideology and the homophobia. It’s bombarded them and the more they are exposed to it and the creepy older men behind all the messages, the more they can see it for what it is.
I think in the next few years it’s going to implode. Youngsters are beginning to make fun of old people believing in it. What we need is a something to replace it that ensures girls particularly feel ok with not having to be sexualised. And boys and men to respect that. That’s going to take a huge cultural and societal shift.

Dont be stupid , these women in prison, refuges and hospitals DON’T MATTER. They are old or sick, poor, working class , they have addictions or mental health problems or learning difficulties or disabled. They grew up in care and were sexually abused as children and raped and prostituted as adults. Or they were stupid enough to get themselves raped by being in the wrong place at the wrong time ( like their own home or using public transport or being at work).

They don’t deserve the right to privacy, dignity and safety, who cares or they are abused and degraded. It’s not about them, it’s about that special group of women - the ones who are men. Their needs must be centred at all times, it’s women’s job to validate their identity.

These others are just collateral damage. I’m so glad I’m not a nasty uncool bigot who gives a fuck about these women - I’m on the right side of history me.

What are trans rights?

Late 40’s. Biologist by profession.

people can wear a dress and call themselves Susan. I don’t care. But they can’t change sex.

“gender affirming care”, including puberty blockers, cause harm. Should not be available to minors. Any invasive treatment should only be after extensive psychotherapy.

trans people have the same rights as everyone else already.

having grown up in the 70’s where parenting guides were telling mums and dads to teach their girls practical skills and let boys play with dolls, I think we have gone backwards with regards to gender stereotyping.

i don’t believe in pink brain blue brain. I don’t believe you can be “born in the wrong body”. Unless you are stating there is a god and souls are sexed, therefore can be born in the wrong sex body, then it’s bollocks. Even if it were, religion states God doesn’t make mistakes, so still bollocks.

My ds is 16. He's a scientist by instinct, and sees it in terms of X and Y chromosomes.

Mention trans anything to him and he rolls his eyes and says he is bored to tears with the whole stupid, attention seeking issue. His friends seem to share his views

My experience of current teens is that they regard the whole trans debate as very 'last year' . The novelty has definitely worn off.

So OP, where are you in the exclusion of Muslim women from single sex facilities if men are using them. Tough shit or racist/ Islamophobic? I mean I see the exclusion of a biological women for the benefit of a biological man as problematic. Stop pretending that being a woman is a feeling in a man’s head

And crimes/data not recorded as sex being female when really male which would skew stats and potentially affect funding, pay, severity of medical/employment/political/financial/crime/religious issues affecting only females and so equality in general.

I don't believe that it is age related - on a forum like mumsnet people can express their views, in real life there is a possibility of losing your job etc. In my view silent majority has been well and truly silenced which is appalling.

I am 38 (which makes me a Millennial).

I support trans rights in the sense that I think trans people should have all the same rights everyone else has. And luckily, they do. Yay!

I also believe that women are female people and that we deserve to have our own single sex spaces and sports, and that children should not be transitioning.

OP, if you have concerns about women's sports and puberty blockers, your views are not nearly as far removed from the old crones on this site as you would like to think.

All you need to ask yourself now is why you're bothered about women's sport but not more serious issues such as women not having access to single sex rape crisis support, or male rapists being housed in women's prisons.

People keep popping on to trill that they support "trans rights" but don't seem to be able to articulate what they are and where the limits are. And I imagine there are limits for all of these people. Which many TRAs perceive, as they would the OP, as not supporting them at all. Because only 100% capitulation to the agenda will suffice.

I am not ageist.
The generational theory is quite well known and researched concept.

What has homosexuality got to do with the trans issue?

And how do you square that with the right of women not to have men, however those men "identify", in their private spaces?

I tend to find that older relatives are more conservative in their view of trans rights and transgender.

I guess having conservative views comes with coming from a different era to those of us who've grown up around transgender being more publicised and having legal protections than perhaps the 80's and 90's.