Older generations show resistance to trans rights

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"Millennials and Gen Z tend to be overwhelmingly supportive of trans people, having grown up in a more inclusive environment, while older generations show far more resistance to trans rights, likely intimidated by the speed of social change."

Is this your experience?
There appears to be an overwhelming support for gender critical beliefs on Mumsnet.
Is it because it's mainly older generations engaging in this debate?

How old are you and what are your views?

I am 45yo and I mostly support trans rights (with the exception of trans athletes competing in woman's events and I agree puberty blockers is a grey area)

decriminalising cocaine? And hand society over to drug cartels?

People who buy coke are absolutely deserving of contempt. They pay for people all along the supply chain to be raped and murdered what coke addled shite they tell themselves. Coke users are paying murderers and rapists. That’s who they are, and we need know nothing else about them.

No, you are absolutely correct they can not get pregnant .
I’m going to bow out now and lick my wounds 😂. I hope I haven’t offended too many of you with my views

Also, following basic safeguarding isn't "denying trans people exist". This is a relatively recent phrase.

Saying you don't believe in trans ideology or gender identity isn't "denying trans people exist".

I don't believe in God or Allah. According to trans logic, I now have no neighbours on my street.

What other religion demands EVERYONE believe exactly the same or be cast out, smeared, dehumanised? Only very fundamentalist versions of any other religion do this.

Implying that behaving like an illogical, intolerant, fundamentalist is inherent to a trans identity is actually transphobic.

If you are encouraging a trans person in your life to think like this, you are not the ally you think you are. You're basically telling a vulnerable person that most of the world wishes they didn't exist. Shame on you.

I first knew transexuals in the 00s and, while I'm not saying we'd agree on everything, they are in no way represented by modern trans ideology. They understood perfectly well they were male and likely to be perceived thus.

A few pages back, someone raised the issue of transmen, and how they are received, and tbh I think many transmen have the WORST of both worlds. They are desperate not to be women, but they virtually never pass as men. If they DO risk going into men's single sex spaces, they are at risk.

The prison service arsed about for ages being kind and placing transwomen in the female estate, but noone was ever "kind" enough to put even the most butch-looking transman in the male estate. It would be very interesting to look at the offending patterns of transmen versus women. If we start seeing higher rates of sexual offending among transmen, for example, a bad faith actor could suggest that its the act of transition that makes one more likely to be a sex offender. That would NOT be an acceptable view.

Some are overwhelmingly specific to one sex. I can't ever recall having read a report about hidden spy cameras/peeping in bathrooms and changing rooms and the perp being a women (an actual woman).

The irony is we actually agree, single sex spaces and services should remain where sex matters, alongside unisex provision for those who don't identify with their sex and where sex doesn't matter people should be able to do as they wish.

I'm gen X and have people in my circle from every living generation from silent to alpha. I have only known two people who said they believed TWAW. Both are women over 55. One has a MtF trans child, the other was confused and thought a TW was a woman who was transitioning to be a man, so in her opinion, still a woman.

Indeed, I have literally lost count of the times I have said " I understand and believe that you believe (insert delusional belief of choice), but I believe that you are unwell and that we can help you to feel better and safer". To have to then be part of a system which reinforces a different delusion, while putting vulnerable women in a less desirable position than they were, was a level of cognitive dissonance that I struggled with.

The problem is that there is no way to distinguish between people who have had their genitals surgically altered and people who haven't. No one is checking. So there's no way to grant or restrict access on that basis. You either say no trans people in spaces for the opposite sex regardless of what surgery they've had, or you make all spaces accessible to anyone on a self ID basis. It's safer to assume none of them have had the surgery than that all of them have.

The fact that your stepson behaves in this way (not demanding access to opposite sex spaces or getting angry if people don't validate his identity) tells me he has been socialised as a female.

I also don't think one can accurately analyse kink in a society where one sex is heavily socialised to be submissive to the other, with this power imbalance replicated throughout porn which then informs wider culture.

I don't believe that women have fetishes in anywhere near the proportions that male people have them. I think that this is a weak argument that you are using here.

But why?

You couldn't even be bothered to read my post clarifying why which I posted at Today 18:25.

That says it all really.

Pay attention. It's a good life skills to have.

Sorry. But why is offensive to call you an activist if you don't believe in biology. Own it.

I'm so over being called TERF tbh.

Also. The admission you can't be bothered to read what others say, says a huge amount. Again. Own it.

Didn’t say I was offended but you stated something that was not correct.
First time I’ve actually used the word, congratulations 🙌

How do you "live as a woman in society", other than using single sex spaces allocated for women?

Are you only interested in toilets or in voyeurism in mixed sex spaces for undressing and toileting more generally?

I’m sure you do spend your entire life in single sex spaces do you? There is more to life than public toilets and changing rooms

If you are saying things contrary to biological sex then I am correct.

Sorry. Own it.

HTH.

You haven't answered the question. How do you live as a woman when you're actually male?

Yes there is. Strangely enough I could (and have) written rather a lot about why it's an issue beyond toilets and changing rooms.

You are an activists without a clue of the reality.

So I got deleted for using the same terminology the Dutch government uses. Stupid.

So again, removing the word that means removing certain male organs that leaves a person infertile..

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As I said, I wouldn’t have an issue with it. I’d rather be on a hospital ward with a 6.4 fully transitioned female than one who still had a penis.

So this suggestion is that if a man has had fully genital surgery, they should be allowed all access to womens spaces, sports. Just to show how this leads to a sliding scale, in the country I currently live the law was that when you had had genital surgery, you could change your registrated sex.
This worked pretty ok, except sports, but it was then portrayed by the Stonewall org here that this 'requirement' was inhumane to demand and men who had not had surgery should also be allowed the same 'right' if they had a medical diagnosis. The government even apologised for demanding men sterilise themselves before they were allowed to change their sex registration. Completely ignoring the law was intended the other way round: to give a person the right to hide their sex after they had genital surgery, not demanding genital surgery to be allowed to hide your sex.

Then the process of medical diagnosis was inhumane and self id was proposed. And on and on it shifts. With zero thought to women and girls already using the spaces and sports.

Hence the response is never should a person be allowed to lie on their sex registration. Because men will just demand more and more

Okay 👍