Older generations show resistance to trans rights

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"Millennials and Gen Z tend to be overwhelmingly supportive of trans people, having grown up in a more inclusive environment, while older generations show far more resistance to trans rights, likely intimidated by the speed of social change."

Is this your experience?
There appears to be an overwhelming support for gender critical beliefs on Mumsnet.
Is it because it's mainly older generations engaging in this debate?

How old are you and what are your views?

I am 45yo and I mostly support trans rights (with the exception of trans athletes competing in woman's events and I agree puberty blockers is a grey area)

If you're not answering questions i won't bother offering you a Tunnocks tea cake.

More for me!

I have to say anyone who decides that you've somehow changed sex because you have inverted your dick and got silicon implants is most definitely an activist because that's not biology and science but is ideology.

I also don't have a terrible amount of time for anyone who doesn't know the correct names for biology of women when lecturing me about how you can change sex. It's all very misogynistic and not very understanding of women isn't it?

but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

@Crankywiddershins

Of course not. Welcome to the 21st century where things don't have to be true to be erm well true. Labels are so last millennia, unless they a 'fluid' (presumably not like jeyes fluid though).

Since that's not a question (are you questionmarkphobic?) I'd love one, or two since the packet is open. Could I have a cup of tea with them?

In my 30s I was certainly alert to any suggestion that a small child may be 'born in the wrong body' and used to follow mermaids socials.

I'm quite embarrassed at my unthinking need to be a cool mam at the time with small children. Thankfully no great harm done.

Shit happened and my eyes opened very quickly.

In my teens I'd have most likely fallen for it since it took me a long time to find my tribe and also to settle into my own skin.

I'll be glad to see an end to the nonsense pushed at our young people at every turn but I don't believe that people who say they are trans deserve fewer rights than anyone else. I think it's really unkind to pretend people can change sex though.

A proportion of crime, and this applies to sexual crime, is opportunistic. I believe there are studies and polls that look at this.

A smallish percentage of men will be deviant to the point they will specifically plan in detail to carry out sexual crimes but a larger number will be based on opportunity - the opportunity presents itself so they go for it.

A key part of safeguarding is reducing those opportunities for harm. Normalising men going into any female spaces they feel like and not being called out for it and removed is damaging the first line of defence women and girls have against harm.

Once again, for those at the back, denying that someone has changed sex is not the same as denying that they exist.

Where is your evidence please?

Me?????????????? Questionmarkphobic?????????.

As if!!!

So, I ate the tea cakes, you've got a choice of caramel log or dark caramel wafer.

I haven't sugared the tea.

Would you like me to read you poetry whilst you snack??

Gotta love those sneaky algorithms- I’m guessing this thread made this video (posted 19 hours ago) pop up on my youtube (YouTuber is Thai Rivera, a gay male stand up comedian from the US):

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html#

My older DS (now 16 and 18) both went through a phase of thinking a man could become a woman in fact ds2 went through a phase of wondering if he was trans (he neither fitted the 'rainbow sparkly gay man' group at school nor the 'macho weight lifting man' group so thought perhaps he wasn't actually a man). However both have grown out of those phrases. DS 3 has always thought that this gender nonsense was a load of nonsense and that you should just be happy to be you.

I'm so sick of the disingenuous and homophobic false analogy that gets made between trans 'rights' (whatever they are, still waiting....) and gay rights.

If you can't see biological sex, you can't recognise sexuality, hence lesbians being forced to accept trans identified males in their spaces and dating apps. How is this progress? Trans rights are in direct opposition to gay rights.

Gay rights did not impinge on any other groups rights. Gay people were not taking rights and protections away from another vulnerable group.

And the notion that 'in 100 years it won't matter' is rubbish. Men and women will still have different bodies, Subject to different diseases, have different reference ranges for observations like blood pressure etc, need different dose of drugs and different specialists to keep us healthy. That isn't changing.

And unless we magically get rid of sexism, women will still need rights that help to counteract living in a sexist society.

Single sex spaces are as much about the dignity and privacy of one's sex, as anything. I don't want my sons in my room when I'm undressing, or even dressing; and I have a lock on my bathroom door - as do most people - for good reason.Single sex spaces for women are as close as we can get in a public situation to a privacy lock on the bathroom door. The male gaze is still present even when a man has had his genitals removed.

It's very very odd that while most delusions are treated with I'm sure compassion but certainly not affirmation, one specific delusion is treated in a whole other way.

Older generations show resistance to trans rights. They already have all the same rights as the rest of us, which is as it should be.

Older generations show resistance to trans demands -- you bet we do! A lot of feminists fought in the 1960s and 1970s for rights including equal pay, equal employment rights, access to birth control, an end to legal sex discrimination, the right to open a bank account and get a mortgage without a male guarantor, among many other rights women take for granted now.

We often opposed men and male-oriented institutions including government and unions.

We're not about to sit back now and say "Never mind our rights to single-sex spaces, fair play in sports, or recognition as a sex class, not dress-up dolls or an audience for male sex fetishists. Just help yourselves to what you want, boys."

So yes, a hell of a lot of us are resisting another male takeover.

There are gender neutral toilets at Wells Next Sea in Norfolk, as well as male and female so it can be done with little fuss.

Even men without penises can be voyeurs.......and fetishists.

In fact the 'Eunuch' community is a growing fetishist sub-group.

And nobody seems able to come up with a coherent reason as to why that is the case!

This is about changing rooms 🙄

I'm 42 and my thoughts are..
No to puberty blockers
No to trans women in women's spaces, rape centres, gym changing rooms ect.
No to trans women in women's sport.
I do acknowledge trans people exist and feel they should have their own separate spaces. Changing room/rape centres/toilets. I'm not sure where businesses would find the money to a lot build these facilities. I work for a big company that has a row of staff toilets that are unisex but every cubicle has a sink, sanitary bins, large enough to change in, a chair for breastfeeding and a baby change.. Nobody I work with seems to have an issue with this (although it's been pointed out that as the cubicles are floor to ceiling it makes it harder for emergency services to gain access if required.
My son is 21 and shares a lot of my views but my sister thinks I'm transphobic (she's 29 and I don't agree that I'm transphobic)

Nope just I don’t believe the majority of men are going to rape women.

One rape meant nothing to him, for all I know. He might even identify as a good guy. And maybe he raped other girls too, how would I know?

But, wow, has that few minutes affected my life in a myriad of shit ways for the subsequent 25 years.

So it's kind of fucking irrelevant to me that I might know 100 non-rapey men (not that I can ever be sure) to that one rapist.

If female suffering doesn't move you, what does? Abortion and therapy cost the NHS? Trauma sufferers probably contribute less taxes? He hurt my identity?

Do you know why women are more likely to be attacked by someone who knows them? Because those men have the opportunity. Dismantling safeguarding merely gives abusive males a broader opportunity.

Safeguarding is not personal. There's no need to be offended unless you are, actually, an abusive man.

Why? Because I am sympathetic to my SS and hold a viewpoint that doesn’t align to yours?
Do you think that because of my opinions you can regard me as an activist? I do not campaign for trans rights. I am not campaigning for changes to any laws.
Or does this in some way correlate with my lack of knowledge of biology?
I think we can all agree that a transgender man will never be a biological woman. They can not have periods. They can not give birth naturally. They won’t get ovarian cancer etc etc.

I get what you’re saying, it’s just not a viewpoint I hold. Women can also have fetishes and be voyeurs. Kinks like that are not gender specific.

They can not give birth naturally.

Corrected that for you. Men can't get pregnant, be pregnant or give birth in anyway.

Once again women the sex class that is bares children (even if individual members of that class cannot or choose not to).
Men the sex class that begets babies (even if ...... etc etc.)