I just wanted to say how much I love Helen Joyce. For me she's the best thing about this whole sordid trans business.
I'd recommend you watch a few of her podcasts on YouTube. The clarity of her thinking and expression, her rationality and her non-tribalism are so refreshing. I also love the fact that with time she's run out of fucks to give and just calls out BS much more directly than her earlier comments.
Helen if you lurk here keep up the good work, I have learned a lot from you and we're all lucky to have you on our side in this increasingly important and urgent fight for sanity and our kids' future.
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Helen Joyce
darada · 27/03/2024 06:33
darada · 27/03/2024 06:33
I just wanted to say how much I love Helen Joyce. For me she's the best thing about this whole sordid trans business.
I'd recommend you watch a few of her podcasts on YouTube. The clarity of her thinking and expression, her rationality and her non-tribalism are so refreshing. I also love the fact that with time she's run out of fucks to give and just calls out BS much more directly than her earlier comments.
Helen if you lurk here keep up the good work, I have learned a lot from you and we're all lucky to have you on our side in this increasingly important and urgent fight for sanity and our kids' future.
ShoveandHoney · 27/03/2024 09:25
Somedays, I like a main of Helen Joyce with a side of KJK. On others, vice versa. When I’m entertaining, Mr Menno is an absolute staple 😊
DadJoke · 27/03/2024 11:07
I do hope all the Harry Potter slash fic doesn't turn her trans.
She is a reasonable-sounding voice who has called for a reduction in the number of transgender people, happy or not. It's monstrous. Here is the transcript, in full context.
Helen Joyce: I think that for quite a while now this has not been about consciousness raising. That’s been irrelevant. That was important two or three years ago when there weren’t enough people; but there’ve been enough people to be critical mass, to be funding the, you know, the crowdfunders, to be writing letters to MPs — all that sort of thing — to have a movement, to have support for women — and men, of course: I mean, there’s people like Graham, of course, as well, who’ve got their necks stuck out on this. We can’t win this by saying, you know, there’s 60 X million people in this country and we’ve got to persuade all of them or a great majority of them; we’ve got to get through to the decision makes and
Helen Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: in the meantime, while we’re, while we’re trying to get through to the decision makers, we have to try to limit the harm, and that means reducing or keeping down the number of people who transition, and that’s for two reasons. One of them if that every one of those people is a person who’s been damaged. But the second one is every one of those people is, basically, you know, a huge problem to a sane world; like, if you’ve got people that — whether they’re transitioned; whether they’re happily transitioned; whether they’re unhappily transitioned; whether they’re de-transitioned — if you’ve got people who’ve dissociated from their sex in some way, every one of those people is someone who needs special accommodation in a sane world where we re-acknowledge the, the truth of sex. And, I mean, the people who’ve been damaged by it, the children who’ve been put through this, those people deserve every accommodation we can possibly make, but every one of them is a difficulty,
Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: you know.
Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: and, I mean, I know that sounds heartless: I’m trying to say exactly the opposite of sounding heartless. I’m saying everyone of those people for 50, 60, 70 years is going to need things that the rest of us just don’t need because the rest of us are just our sex. So the, the fewer of those people there are, the better in the sane world that I hope we will reach.
DadJoke · 27/03/2024 11:07
I do hope all the Harry Potter slash fic doesn't turn her trans.
She is a reasonable-sounding voice who has called for a reduction in the number of transgender people, happy or not. It's monstrous. Here is the transcript, in full context.
Helen Joyce: I think that for quite a while now this has not been about consciousness raising. That’s been irrelevant. That was important two or three years ago when there weren’t enough people; but there’ve been enough people to be critical mass, to be funding the, you know, the crowdfunders, to be writing letters to MPs — all that sort of thing — to have a movement, to have support for women — and men, of course: I mean, there’s people like Graham, of course, as well, who’ve got their necks stuck out on this. We can’t win this by saying, you know, there’s 60 X million people in this country and we’ve got to persuade all of them or a great majority of them; we’ve got to get through to the decision makes and
Helen Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: in the meantime, while we’re, while we’re trying to get through to the decision makers, we have to try to limit the harm, and that means reducing or keeping down the number of people who transition, and that’s for two reasons. One of them if that every one of those people is a person who’s been damaged. But the second one is every one of those people is, basically, you know, a huge problem to a sane world; like, if you’ve got people that — whether they’re transitioned; whether they’re happily transitioned; whether they’re unhappily transitioned; whether they’re de-transitioned — if you’ve got people who’ve dissociated from their sex in some way, every one of those people is someone who needs special accommodation in a sane world where we re-acknowledge the, the truth of sex. And, I mean, the people who’ve been damaged by it, the children who’ve been put through this, those people deserve every accommodation we can possibly make, but every one of them is a difficulty,
Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: you know.
Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: and, I mean, I know that sounds heartless: I’m trying to say exactly the opposite of sounding heartless. I’m saying everyone of those people for 50, 60, 70 years is going to need things that the rest of us just don’t need because the rest of us are just our sex. So the, the fewer of those people there are, the better in the sane world that I hope we will reach.
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DadJoke · 27/03/2024 11:07
I do hope all the Harry Potter slash fic doesn't turn her trans.
She is a reasonable-sounding voice who has called for a reduction in the number of transgender people, happy or not. It's monstrous. Here is the transcript, in full context.
Helen Joyce: I think that for quite a while now this has not been about consciousness raising. That’s been irrelevant. That was important two or three years ago when there weren’t enough people; but there’ve been enough people to be critical mass, to be funding the, you know, the crowdfunders, to be writing letters to MPs — all that sort of thing — to have a movement, to have support for women — and men, of course: I mean, there’s people like Graham, of course, as well, who’ve got their necks stuck out on this. We can’t win this by saying, you know, there’s 60 X million people in this country and we’ve got to persuade all of them or a great majority of them; we’ve got to get through to the decision makes and
Helen Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: in the meantime, while we’re, while we’re trying to get through to the decision makers, we have to try to limit the harm, and that means reducing or keeping down the number of people who transition, and that’s for two reasons. One of them if that every one of those people is a person who’s been damaged. But the second one is every one of those people is, basically, you know, a huge problem to a sane world; like, if you’ve got people that — whether they’re transitioned; whether they’re happily transitioned; whether they’re unhappily transitioned; whether they’re de-transitioned — if you’ve got people who’ve dissociated from their sex in some way, every one of those people is someone who needs special accommodation in a sane world where we re-acknowledge the, the truth of sex. And, I mean, the people who’ve been damaged by it, the children who’ve been put through this, those people deserve every accommodation we can possibly make, but every one of them is a difficulty,
Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: you know.
Staniland: Yes.
Joyce: and, I mean, I know that sounds heartless: I’m trying to say exactly the opposite of sounding heartless. I’m saying everyone of those people for 50, 60, 70 years is going to need things that the rest of us just don’t need because the rest of us are just our sex. So the, the fewer of those people there are, the better in the sane world that I hope we will reach.
Thingybob · 27/03/2024 10:59
Agree, Helen is one of my GC crushes.
I love her logic, her clarity and the fact that she's not frightened to disagree with the position of the Radical Feminists.
Does anyone know if there is a name for feminists who believe there are (average) biological differences in the psychological make up of males and females and that needs to be recognised in order to have equality between the sexes?
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