Helen Joyce

[darada]

I just wanted to say how much I love Helen Joyce. For me she's the best thing about this whole sordid trans business.

I'd recommend you watch a few of her podcasts on YouTube. The clarity of her thinking and expression, her rationality and her non-tribalism are so refreshing. I also love the fact that with time she's run out of fucks to give and just calls out BS much more directly than her earlier comments.

Helen if you lurk here keep up the good work, I have learned a lot from you and we're all lucky to have you on our side in this increasingly important and urgent fight for sanity and our kids' future.

Rights going backwards?

What, from complete organisational and international obeyance?

Maybe there are fewer Rainbow themed sandwiches available in M&S this year, Alison? How very sad for DJoke and friends…

Trans people have the same rights as non trans people.

What people like DJoke seem to want is extra rights at the expense of women's rights.

Technically they have more rights than non trans people, and trans activists aren't actually wrong when they say that some people want to see trans people's rights rolled back.

I would like to see their rights realigned with everyone else's rights.

Wow. Wow, you Privileged Male really have no idea, do you? Or, you're a troll. Trans are the most privileged, most powerful and most protected group out. It is women who are under attack and we are the ones whose rights are going backwards. We are the most attacked group on the planet.

I asked @DadJoke to provide some evidence to support his claim that gender critical feminists are being funded by right wing groups from America but he declined to do so.

Still waiting for my share of the fundie bux!

Nice goal post shifting. Do quote me where I said gender critical feminists are being funded by right wing groups from America.

They have certainly worked with such organisations, and Bev Jackson of LGB Alliance has defended it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna964246

You said "there is a great deal of money, primarily from the States, going the other way".

What did you mean by that, then?

The article you have linked to doesn't mention Bev Jackson, the LGB Alliance or any UK based gender critical feminists at all.

Study after study after study consistently show that the countries where trans people are doing the best are also the countries where women are doing the best.

https://populationconnection.org/blog/what-are-the-top-countries-for-gender-equality/#:~:text=1)%20Denmark,(2021)%2C%20at%200.013.

https://giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2023/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_self-identification#:~:text=As%20of%20March%202023%2C%2011,a%20court%20permission%20is%20required.

The correlation between trans peoples well-being, gay people's wellbeing and women's wellbeing, shown over and over and over again is striking.

Why do so many people want to ignore this evidence? The countries that are doing the best for trans people are also those countries where women are happiest and have the most parity with men.

The countries who have introduced self-ID have stayed or risen to the top of the international tables for women's wellbeing and parity with men since introducing self-ID.

FWR needs to explain why these countries are staying at the top of the leagues for women's happinesses, security, wellbeing, and equality for women, if their approach towards trans rights is such a problem for women.

We ignore it because it’s obviously cherry picked.

HTH.

🤣😂 Every single international study?

That is quoted by governments, health organisations and women's rights groups worldwide??

You should do a better job of hiding your ignorance.

Half the countries in the top ten have basically now banned puberty blockers because the evidence for them is so poor.

And one of the countries in the top 10 is New Zealand. I have no idea how the hell New Zealand made it onto the list given that they have a shocking domestic violence record and a court system which recently granted a young man a slap on the wrist and full anonymity for having punched a 70 year old woman and fractured her skull at a peaceful women's rights demonstration.

No, just the ones you post over and over again while we all yawn at you.

I can't see that any of them have actually banned puberty blockers, have they?

They are taking a more careful approach perhaps, but there have been no outright bans or can you point to those that have complete bans?

The proof is in the pudding...the long-term results show that those countries which have highest levels of well-being for women are also the countries that have the highest level of well-being for trans people.

They are showing time and time again that the happiness of these populations moves in parallel with each other, not in different directions.

A setback for trans people is a set back for gay people, is a set back for all minorities and a setback for women.

And of course we know the correlation extends beyond that too, to overall population well-being

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/12/many-of-worlds-happiest-countries-are-also-best-for-women-research-shows.html

You've already been corrected on this. Correlation does NOT equal causation.

Why do you continue to make a fool of yourself?

Why do you continue to fail to answer the question: why, if trans rights are so detrimental to women, are the countries that are doing best in this area also staying at the top of the tables of all those studies exploring women's happinesses, security, well-being, health and parity with men?

Can you tell me why these countries have not fallen down the international tables since their furthering of trans rights and self -ID?

Why are they staying at the top or rising to the top of the tables for women during their timeframes of improving trans people's lives?

Potato, potah-to.

Saying, "We're going to stop prescribing these because in retrospect it's maybe not the best idea to sterilise distressed children when there's little to no evidence of any benefits" is a ban, in my view.

No comment about New Zealand?

Because CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION!!! Your copy/paste article does NOT say what you want it to say, and you've been told this REPEATEDLY.

And also because they have set their own criteria to assess whether a country is strong on women's rights.

If I recall correctly, one of the factors was whether or not a country had a female head of state or head of government, meaning that the death of the Queen and accession of King Charles to the throne had an impact on the positioning of all countries for whom the British monarch is the head of state. As for the head of government, having Rishi Sunak as prime minister as opposed to Theresa May would make the UK rank lower, even though Rishi Sunak has a better record on women's rights.

Ultimately, you can manipulate statistics to make them say all kinds of things. But when you are using this data to argue that countries which are strong on trans rights are also strong on women's rights, only half the countries in the top ten are quietly reverse ferreting on "trans rights" and some of the ones that are sticking firmly to their position on "trans rights" are demonstrably not good countries in which to be a woman, you look pretty stupid.

Some of those ‘happy countries’ have high suicide and alcoholism rates too.

Ok, I can see that you don't get it, and I have a feeling that no amount of explanation will make it any clearer to you, but I am hopeful that others out there may get it.

Nowhere have I said that correlation means causation. Simply put, I don't need to.

I can however easily show that the big picture, real-world data shows that improvement of trans lives occurs time and time and time again alongside the improvement of women's lives.

If FWR feels that trans rights are broadly detrimental to women they have to answer the big question....
Why does all the big picture, real-world data fail to support their position time and time again?

Well obvs in the countries that are worst for women trans isn’t actually a recognised thing (apart from Iran) at all.
It’s not the non-recognisance of trans that makes it shit for women there tho, is it?

I have referred to 3 major international studies in this area...have you looked at the results from the Women Peace and Security Index or the Gender Inequality Index as well as the Global Gender Gap Report?

They all place countries slightly differently in terms of how well they are doing for women, but they all show very strong relationships between women's wellbeing and trans well-being & rights.

How are they defining women?