No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

This is massive - and long overdue

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/97ce2e81-2884-42f5-bb82-2a2778f2cc91?shareToken=9568e79f0683beea68ffe5e978b05a29

Thankfully that group don’t seem to be affected by the social contagion (trans is unfashionable now) so you are worrying about non existent kids.

’Being prescribed puberty blockers a quarter of a century ago saved my life ‘

GIDS weren’t prescribing blockers 25 years ago. We’ve been through this claim and debunked it already. Your childhood is incomparable to kids now.

Don’t forget that no girl or woman not known to them also ever clocked that they were male when they claimed female single sex spaces as their own either.

Plus the constant expansion of their own medical condition to being relevant enough to become a respected community ‘elder’, giving advice to any child or young person, regardless of whether that child or young person was male with the same condition or not… because their experience was an important test case for ‘ALL’ children and young people.

The complete disconnect is alarming.

“Your childhood is incomparable to kids now.”

Just a reminder for those reading along, the majority of children and adolescents who are registered in GIDS now and in gender clinics around the world are FEMALE. The male poster this statement refers to has shown a history of never being able to acknowledge the significance of this difference (despite the many clinicians who admit that this is a cohort with different needs- even Steensma from the Dutch Protocol team admits it).

The poster in question also has never acknowledged the significant life limiting and potentially life shortening effect of transitioning on the female body while advocating, as some other heavily invested male trans people do, that all children and adolescents have access to that treatment. They just continue to double down that it should be available and they continue to post emotionally manipulative tactics to try to distract from their misogynistic actions.

As soon as WPATH were caught agreeing that children can't consent to this, had no idea what orgasms were and didn't grasp what being infertile would mean, the ramping up of transactivation has nothing else to look like, other than horrifying.

We want all these children to be transed, because doctors think it's best for them is one thing. We still want them all transed, when doctors think it's awful, is quite another.

Their motivations have been unequivocally
laid bare. There's absolutely no covering up that exposure.

No social media, no smartphones 25 years ago, just the occasional Sunday tabloid article on a male forces veteran having a ‘sex change’.

Johnathon Haidt has just been on Rogan again - haven’t listened to it all yet but Rogan brings up transgenderism and youth, both re: those transitioning and the girls displaced by males in sports.

Yes the harm has been exposed

As positions go, it's got to be as wobbly as they come.

Transactivists need to be victims, in order to enhance their status and justify their demands, whilst at the same time, they know that victimhood as a goal for children isn't what you'd call, er, aspirational.

That's why you have the simultaneous, and contradictory, positions of being both wonderfully happy, and terribly sad.

I have a wonderful life, I'm fulfilled, sought after and respected and I just want that for the kids, but I also need special treatment, complete compliance and handling with kid gloves, because I'm so fragile and vulnerable.

I appreciate Joe Rogan because he asks generic everyman questions of researchers and academics.

Haidt understands the impact of social media on the lives and mental well being of teens as well as anyone alive today can.

Some fascinating stuff in here re; Covid, and how emerging research shows that it’s not lockdown itself that made teens mentally unwell, but the increased amount of time
teens were on social media due to being confined to their homes.

To copy and paste from another current thread:

OldCrone · Today 09:38
The TRA's lame claims that 'they've always been there but brutally suppressed', 'Joan of Arc' etc, really don't stand much scrutiny.

If that were true, they'd be able to point to the large numbers of late-transitioning women who were prevented from doing so when they were younger.

Instead Mumsnet is full of women who look at the teenage girls who identify as trans, and think how similar we were to them when younger. But instead of going for a later-life transition we're all pointing out the flaws in the ideology.

But nope. Its just middle aged males doing this, saying how great it is to transition but if only they'd been allowed to do it younger. Whilst simultaneously saying how awful their life as a transitioner is and how awful the long life medicalisation is.

And they apparently can't understand why women are going 'you are full of harmful ideological bollocks, which should stay out of school' and just make noises about section 28 as if its a convincing argument to start experimental treatment on children.

NotBadConsidering · Today 10:38

The original Dutch researchers listened to males who had gone through puberty who were sure they’d be happier if they hadn’t and decided to make sure the next group of kids didn’t. And now here we are.

An excellent and succinct summary there!

I think I asked this on my first thread when I crashed into MN. Some people were mean, and I ran away.

Anyway...

I nearly didn't bother reading this, some of the reporting (while generally welcome) has been getting a bit repetitive. But I'm so glad I did. A very thorough article about PB, the Tavistock's failures and the ethics of carrying out a trial

https://unherd.com/2024/03/weve-learned-nothing-about-puberty-blockers/

But you obviously came back & started listening & learning so for that!

The TRA's lame claims that 'they've always been there but brutally suppressed', 'Joan of Arc' etc, really don't stand much scrutiny. If that were true, they'd be able to point to the large numbers of late-transitioning women who were prevented from doing so when they were younger.

This. ^^

How many of your school friends burst into glorious transition when they escaped from school?

I was hanging out through most of my secondary school years with the LGB gang in various stages of awareness and coming out at the time, who hit their stride late teens. We were in majority the gender non conforming ones. Probably about even numbers boys/girls. One of that gang was an experimental cross dresser, who is now very happily in a straight marriage with a number of kids, but no one transitioned. Several of the girls at that time would have sworn to you they never wanted kids, hated their body, would have gladly had mastectomies and escaped their periods, and most are now mothers. You have no bloody idea at 15 how you'll feel at 20, never mind 30 when your biology starts to shout at you.

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There was one girl at my primary school in the 80s (a couple of years older than me) who was naturally masculine to the point one of my friends burst into tears when she saw her in the girl’s loos.

When we heard our very masculine school mate had transitioned in the mid 90s, it sorta made sense. Everyone thought Joanne was a boy anyway, so why not make your life easier and become Joe?

In hindsight, I see small town sexism and lesbophobia. My older sister is still in social media contact with Joe, Joe is now early 50s and seems much less healthy than the vast majority of the girls Joe grew up with.

One girl in the whole of my primary and secondary time period went onto transition (I grew up in a small town so that probably works out as around 1/2000) yet in my stepdaughter’s school year 9 group a third of girls (50/150) said they were transmen or nonbinary transmen.

Those girls are now upper 6th and quietly desisting one by one.

As long as they are desisting before they take T or surgery that’s fine and just shows it for the temporary self image hating, teacher baiting, attention seeking nonsense it is for the majority of kids.

Some of them have gotten T through GenderGP and that’s been shared amongst friends.

No surgery but that’s because they are only just turning 18 and UK surgeons seem to have held the line on 18 minimum, NHS & Private.

Some UK teens have gotten under 18 mastectomy in Spain, Poland and Turkey but none that I personally know of.
Of course, these particular kids are not the very first of the ROGD phenomenon (they started declaring themselves trans in 2019-2020) so parents were a bit more knowledgeable about slowing things down and not automatically going along with the idea that teens could be trans (even though the school were totally on board. School are ‘Stonewall Bronze Champions’). Parents of the 2013-2015 rise in GIDs referrals did not have access to the same cautious approach parent’s groups or orgs. Thank fuck for Transgender Trend, 4th Wave Now and Mumsnet (and more recently Genspect/Thoughtful Therapists etc).

Found a podcast that might be of interest to this thread:

https://shows.acast.com/storiesofourtimes/episodes/the-five-year-road-to-banning-teenage-puberty-blockers

The podcast presenter Manveen Rana is very much like Evan Davis on R4 when it comes to gender identity stories and, like Davis in his recent conversation with Dr David Bell, in this interview Rana put forward the commonplace idea that these puberty blockers are just a pause button and was swiftly disabused of this by Lucy Bannerman. In fact, Bannerman had facts and figures for everything Rana raised.

I meant to share this when I heard it last week - a very sensible exploration of the issues with calm medical evidence (not really in tune with recent Times radio discussion on the subject I don’t think 🙄🤔)

Hannah Barnes shared this article about Sue Evans’ legal challenge of the CQC decision to license Gender Plus:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2024/03/legal-challenge-stop-private-gender-clinics-teenagers-tavistock?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1711186934

Hannah Barnes is wonderful.

Puberty blockers are raise on the latest Private Eye podcast (Page 94) Dr Phil Hammond is not for them.

it’s worth a listen, although it’s only a bit at the end.

I'm sorry but this is just completely untrue. Blockers were already being prescribed for years before I was prescribed them.

yes, but that was in very small numbers to specific dysphoric kids after extensive talking therapies. Not dished out like smarties to anyone who was uncomfortable having their boobs ogled.