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No more puberty blockers for children from the NHS - reported in the Times!

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:21

This is massive - and long overdue

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/97ce2e81-2884-42f5-bb82-2a2778f2cc91?shareToken=9568e79f0683beea68ffe5e978b05a29

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ADoggyDogWorld · 12/03/2024 16:39

GOOD.

ArabellaScott · 12/03/2024 16:39

'Health minister, Maria Caulfield, said: “We have always been clear that children’s safety and wellbeing is paramount, so we welcome this landmark decision by the NHS.
“Ending the routine prescription of puberty blockers will help ensure that care is based on evidence, expert clinical opinion and is in the best interests of the child.”
The consultation on the future of services received more than 4,000 responses, including around a quarter from members of the public, 22% from patients, 21% from parents, 10% from trans adults and 5% from clinicians.
John Stewart, national director of specialised commissioning at NHS England said: “Given that the debate is often very polarised, so too were the responses to the consultation.
“Many people said the policy didn’t go far enough in terms of still allowing potential access (to puberty blockers) through research, and others saying clearly they disagreed fundamentally and that these should be routinely available to everyone who believes they need it.”
Regarding the new clinics, he said: “This is just the first step in building a regional model, where our aim is to establish between seven and eight specialist centres including the north and the south hubs over the next year to two years.”
Around 250 patients are expected to be transferred to the new clinics from Gids when they open.
Some 5,000 more children and young people are currently on the waiting list for referral into the new clinics.'

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-03-12/children-will-not-be-prescribed-puberty-blockers-nhs-says

Signalbox · 12/03/2024 16:40

NHS England is understood to be hoping to have a study into the use of puberty blockers ready by December

I wonder what the detail of this is?

BoohooWoohoo · 12/03/2024 16:41

This is great news for children.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/03/2024 16:41

Thank goddess for this.

The fact they'll only be available as part of clinical research trials really underlines that doctors have been EXPERIMENTING on children all the time up to now, but without the rigour, including normal follow up and data collection of actual clinical trials.

Truly the stuff of horror stories. I still can't believe this has happened and seemingly no adults have been held accountable either by losing their jobs or via criminal charges.

This is the most important thing - preventing future harm.

But we must not forget that the children up to now have been experimented on, were not afforded this level of care, and deserve consequences for those that not only let it happen but actively pushed the affirmation only approach and adultification of children. As well as decent healthcare going forward, not just being told to bog off if they want to detransition (as many detransitioners have described in the adult service).

ArabellaScott · 12/03/2024 16:41

How odd the BBC hasn't reported when every other news outlet has.

Snowypeaks · 12/03/2024 16:42

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pronounsbundlebundle · 12/03/2024 16:43

ArabellaScott · 12/03/2024 16:41

How odd the BBC hasn't reported when every other news outlet has.

Well spotted. What a surprise (not).

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 16:43

It will be very telling how Labour talking heads respond to this.
Incredibly good news for young people.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:44

Hopefully once the school guidelines on gender questioning children go through, the transactivist groups who have made so much money from gaslighting children in schools that their bodies are wrong and changing sex is the solution, will disappear.

Once schools no longer promote the "born in the wrong body"groups with their previous "puberty blockers are harmless and reversible " shown to be lies, there will be fewer children getting onto this one way path to infertility etc.

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Froodwithatowel · 12/03/2024 16:45

And link this with Liz Truss's proposed bill regarding no medic being permitted to prescribe blockers to a child, which would close the private meds loophole.

Very good news.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:46

Of course Frood, that will put an end to a very finacially profitable loophole for certain medics.

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bringbacktheladiesloos · 12/03/2024 16:46

'born in the wrong body' is so fucking insulting isn't it?!

I am absolutely stoked at this news.
Go away mermaids, go away stonewall, go away ALL

Froodwithatowel · 12/03/2024 16:47

we must not forget that the children up to now have been experimented on, were not afforded this level of care, and deserve consequences for those that not only let it happen but actively pushed the affirmation only approach and adultification of children. As well as decent healthcare going forward, not just being told to bog off if they want to detransition

Absolutely this ^^

ihateexcel · 12/03/2024 16:48

So what about young children under say age 5 that start puberty early - surely they should still be able to access the drugs until they reach puberty age?
There are cases of very early puberty where children need to be helped.

lechiffre55 · 12/03/2024 16:49

The private route just got a lot more difficult.
Imagine a courtroom, bloke in a wig speaking.
"So you thought it was appropriate to prescribe hormone blockers to my client?"
"Yes"
"Even after the NHS banned them for under 18 year olds and my client was 16 at the time?"
"Errrrrr......"

EasternStandard · 12/03/2024 16:49

I’m so happy we’re getting somewhere

All this pushing helps, thanks to everyone

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/03/2024 16:49

Liz Truss is doing such good work to protect children. I'm sort of glad she ballsed up being PM. Now she's free to follow her conscience and not constantly be manoeuvring for a route into no 10.

She's doing very good work here.

DadJoke · 12/03/2024 16:50

ihateexcel · 12/03/2024 16:48

So what about young children under say age 5 that start puberty early - surely they should still be able to access the drugs until they reach puberty age?
There are cases of very early puberty where children need to be helped.

Puberty blockers will still be available for children with early-onset puberty.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:51

I wonder how this will impact on this court case that some desperate parents are taking against the NHS? Maybe the NHS will do the right thing ?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5025867-next-court-case-2-mums-taking-nhs-england-to-court-for-providing-unsafe-treatment-for-their-gender-questioning-girls

Next court case. 2 mums taking NHS England to court for providing unsafe 'treatment' for their gender questioning girls | Mumsnet

GARDENING NEEDED PRONTO. 2 mums, one of them called Anna Castle, going to the high court on Match 24th. Both mums to ND, gender questioning, v likel...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5025867-next-court-case-2-mums-taking-nhs-england-to-court-for-providing-unsafe-treatment-for-their-gender-questioning-girls

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/03/2024 16:53

ihateexcel · 12/03/2024 16:48

So what about young children under say age 5 that start puberty early - surely they should still be able to access the drugs until they reach puberty age?
There are cases of very early puberty where children need to be helped.

These children are completely different to the children who've been gaslit into believing their bodies are wrong and need fixing. They'll get the appropriate treatment for their condition.

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IcakethereforeIam · 12/03/2024 16:54

It's just NHS England. The Scottish NHS, im assuming, may still continue. Can English patients be seen or prescribed PBs there?

I don't know what the situation is in Wales or NI.

OnlyLoveCanBreakYourHeart · 12/03/2024 16:55

Where is the Guardian's article? 👀