The Ladies pond again

[IcakethereforeIam]

Trying to have a vote to make it women only again

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/transgender-women-ban-kenwood-ladies-pond-hampstead-heath/

https://archive.ph/xbIsK paywall dodge

I'm not holding my breath.

Annoying though it is, it is possible that it is impossible to exclude transwomen from the Ladies' pond despite the single sex exemptions in the EA. The argument for exclusion is that it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Ordinarily, the privacy and dignity of women would be a legitimate aim and exclusion of transwomen is a proportionate means as there is a mixed sex pond. The fly in the ointment is topless sunbathing. Women, in order to preserve their privacy and dignity, want to sunbathe topless away from male eyes.

However, there are a small number of transwomen who have enlarged breasts as a result of medical intervention. They could argue that exclusion would either remove their access to topless sunbathing or deprive them of their privacy and dignity by forcing them to expose their breasts to the possibly prurient gaze of other men.

You would hope that any judge would reject this argument but there is no guarantee.

You don't get to make a decision about who else gets to use the same spaces as you. Just like how most people wanting immigration controls doesn't mean immigration controls are OK. It's the same issue writ large.

I was responding to a poster who was characterising me. That's why.

I think pp82 is more of what we would call a libertarian than an anarchist.

An extreamly authoritarian libertarian

Has there been a reverse of this in the men's pond? A female who has had a double mastectomy, so is now without breasts? Who is trans identified, I mean? I could be wrong but it seems the men are quite protective of their space, so it may not have been challenged. Man Friday wasn't Tms, was it?

Nope. Just an anarcho communist hypocrite. Or a libertarian socialist hypocrite. I'm fine with either label. I don't believe in capitalism. But I have to live under it, and prefer to do so comfortably.

infantalism, always the last refuge.

'Im only joking you know, why you being so uptight, its just bantz'

People's feelings do matter

And yet

I haven't thought these issues through much because they are so trivial

So do our feelings matter or are they trivial?

your not on the left.

gender idology is pure capatilism and colonalism on steroids

Your obviously tribal predictability, doesn't. It can be read like a book by those familiar with it.

There's a lot of hiding and minimising here, @PP82 . It's perfectly possible to be concerned about more than one issue affecting the world. You don't get to decide what is and isn't trivial. As has been patiently explained to you many times, it's often necessary to have facilities separated by age, sex or other protected characteristics, otherwise vulnerable people aren't safeguarded effectively enough.

Can I suggest that if you don't think about these issues much, as you admit, you do some more listening and learning here? There's a lot of really interesting perspectives, sound research and exceptionally well thought through philosophy on this board - I continue to be amazed at what I find out and read here.

Our as in whom?

I think that the vast majority of the left would disagree.

Tankies excepted of course.

Meeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Ahem.

Ponds. Spaces separated by sex and with one mixed sex, gender neutral space where whoever wishes to mix can, with impunity.

Wonder why it's not working?

Quite! Gender ideology is pure post modernistic, individualistic consumerism. Nothing radical about it at all - except in its blind denial of reality.

Rejection of capitalism is predicated on a materialist analysis of society, yet when it comes to the material reality of sex and how that effects us, especially women, it is ignored by gender ideologues.

You don't empower women by denying their biological reality and encouraging the colonisation and appropriation of womanhood and women's spaces by males.

😂

that yes I'm coming on the toilet their husbands are just being confused.

God knows what AutoCorrect had in mind there!!

So you think some people's feels matter but other people don't? Again I assume you are the self appointed arbiter of who falls into matter category and who doesn't.

Actually the only true Socialist party - The Communist Party - is critical of gender ideology. What you are supporting is a bastardised, americanised hybrid - 'progressive identity politics' and social jutice theories - which has very little to do with the traditional left - which was predicated on a materialist analysis of society.

I'm not desperate for attention. I have a million things to do and a chronic procrastination problem. And I find you all very diverting.

ooo, was that an insult.
how very male of you to insult my feminity

When, and if, you eventually have a child you'll have far less time, and most probably inclination...so enjoy it while you can.

Well quite.

I going to suggest a way to find out whos feels matter and whos dont to pp82

here goes

do they have a cock, or not

How did I manage that?