The Ladies pond again

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Trying to have a vote to make it women only again

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/22/transgender-women-ban-kenwood-ladies-pond-hampstead-heath/

https://archive.ph/xbIsK paywall dodge

I'm not holding my breath.

Men don’t swim at the women’s pond. They aren’t allowed.
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Male-bodied people who identify as women can swim there

those are completely contradictory statements which you can’t possibly believe - how does saying “hi I’m a woman” miraculously change a man into a woman?

Sorry I don't think I explained what I meant very well. I wondered if, instead of calling it Ladies or women if female might be better as it refers to biological sex. I certainly don't believe there are male women! Woman - adult human female!

@Theeyeballsinthesky nobody who sees themselves as male is allowed to swim there.

it’s all deeply weird, this fetishisation of female-bodiedness, in the context of the pond.

what’s so unusual about the pond is that it really is, in profound ways, an adult female space - like none other I know. There’s a particular way in which people share time and space there, without the competition and noise (and play) of a space shared w men. A tiny number of men who genuinely want to be women, and see themselves as women, cannot change that.

What is the difference between a man and a man who says he is a woman?

How do you know which males see themselves as males and which don't?

This is fascinating and should sort out a few issues on the matter.

@AlisonDonut I don’t know. Do you? Do you think you’re the one who should be judging?

Gosh, this should be interesting <settles in>
I'm desperate to know about these poor men, sorry women, no, no hang on, men who can't help thinking they are women and must go into the women's pond.

*Men don’t swim at the women’s pond. They aren’t allowed.

Male-bodied people who identify as women can swim there*

male bodied people are men, so men can swim there

Why don't they act like women, put themselves last, budge up & go in the mixed sex pond?

How bizarre that they don't eh?

Can't imagine why.

We will NOT butt out, what are you like? 🙄. Male, I presume?

Even online you can tell his sex, no staring at any part of him necessary.

Judging whether a man is a man?

Or judging whether he actually believes the falsehood he is telling or is deliberately lying?

Frankly, I don’t care. Whatever he tells you (and possibly himself) he isn’t a woman and should have the decency to stay out of women’s spaces.

Any man who invades women’s spaces is a predatory man. By definition. Decent men don’t do that.

Used to live near the women's pond and swam there for many years.

On one memorable occasion a peeping Tom was discovered hiding in the bushes. A group of the fiercer lesbians chased him out and beat him up.

Now there is no need for the peeping Toms to hide and women have no right to challenge them.

No I think all men are men.

You seem to think some are women. And that we should all just stop worrying about it and as you say 'butt out'.

So please explain your logic here. It could really help many of us.

No one is shouting at you.
It matters not if you are persuaded, it matters a lot that I am right.
Whats the point of a mixed pond, a male pond and another mixed pond thats called womens?
Why have two mixed sex , one single sex?
And what do you think will happen when one day the only women in the womens pond are men?

It's not a fetish to want single sex spaces, if it is then tell the men in the men only pond this.

Are you kier starmer? Adult female what?

How is it different to the once upon a time single sex womens spaces elsewhere? Which used to be lovely, but then men took over as always.

How do you know which men are genuine? What will happen when the ungenuine men outnumber the genuine men? when does it become mixed sex to you?
When 10 men are in there, 20, 50? Let's put a number on when you think it's too many .

I used to swim there years ago. Was probably odd times of day because I was sometimes by myself. I'd have been very scared if someone male turned up. It's hard to tell if someone male has feminine thoughts inside their head that mean they're 'really' a woman. Cos you just see a man.

its deeply depressing that you lot are like this and have so very little faith in women. Do go to the pond again and see how wonderful it is. Peeping toms (yuck, terrible term) would still be frightened off, as wd any men playing stupid games. This isn’t the group we are talking about, and none of your moral panic will persuade me otherwise. What’s so great about the pond is that it IS a female led space. Nobody - certainly not a handful of transwomen- wants to change that.

I have little faith in men love.

You can't even explain why you think some of them mysteriously change into women just because they decide they are.

Men have all the ponds. Why can't you understand that (actual) women would just like one?

Also, they DID change that. I remember completing the consultation which never got published. Wel, it did after they removed all the ones they didn't want people to know about. It was all a complete stitch up.

Female-bodied people who identify as men can swim at the men’s pond.

You think so?

In which case, why were the police called when female-bodied people who identified as male tried to swim there? Why did the police remove them from the Men's Pond?

A tiny number of men who genuinely want to be women, and see themselves as women

I don't care how much they want to be a woman or that they see themselves as women, they aren't women nor will they be seen as women.

They should use the mixed pond and leave the women's pond to women.

I don't peer at genitals and neither did the women I used to swim with. However, men do peer at genitals. I don't want to be peered at by men and I sure as hell don't accept others telling me I should accept it.

Men don’t swim at the women’s pond. They aren’t allowed.

They do, and they are.

its deeply depressing that you lot are like this and have so very little faith in women

"You lot" again. It's a thing.