Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

[Heylo]

Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

[Overheater]

Haven’t clicked on the link as it’s the DM and who can trust that. But surely it’s the same recipe as formula which parents have been feeding their babies for decades with no ill effects.

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

@Overheater

Haven’t clicked on the link as it’s the DM and who can trust that. But surely it’s the same recipe as formula which parents have been feeding their babies for decades with no ill effects.

Secretions from male bodies are nothing like formula or breast milk from women. And we'd all be reading it in the Gurdian or on the BBC if we could - but funnily enough those publications are reluctant to expose safeguarding issues like this - can't think why 🙄

OP - there's a busy thread discussing it here :
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5010461-human-milk-ffs

[TheLovleyChebbyMcGee]

The drug used to induce lactation is used in women with low milk supply to help boost it to feed their babies. I was given it for a few weeks and it did help. I did my research and I'm happy that I didn't poison my baby thanks

[mypronounsaremine]

Daily Telegraph on the same story.
https://archive.is/E6VPt

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

@TheLovleyChebbyMcGee

The drug used to induce lactation is used in women with low milk supply to help boost it to feed their babies. I was given it for a few weeks and it did help. I did my research and I'm happy that I didn't poison my baby thanks

Yes - women's bodies are designed to gestate, birth and feed babies - sometimes with additional help under medical supervision.
However, a male body has a completely different set of functions that don't revolve around birthing and feeding babies.

[mypronounsaremine]

@Overheater

Haven’t clicked on the link as it’s the DM and who can trust that. But surely it’s the same recipe as formula which parents have been feeding their babies for decades with no ill effects.

No, it's not formula milk, it's secretions from a TW's body. Requires both the drugs used to help stimulate lactation in mothers struggling with breastfeeding (not especially controversial when used for that, I think) as well as the TW to have milk-producing glands in the first place. That last bit seems the questionable part — the Telegraph says “For a person born male to breastfeed, they must develop milk-producing glands by taking the hormone progestin” but it's not clear to me that this would be enough to generate glands men don't have. Not least because progestin is already present in men and plays a role in the male endocrine system.
That assorted drugs might enable a man to secrete liquid from their nipples doesn't seem impossible: but whether it has any relationship to milk? Dunno. And not an experiment any baby should be made to participate in.

[Coffeebutter]

@TheLovleyChebbyMcGee

The drug used to induce lactation is used in women with low milk supply to help boost it to feed their babies. I was given it for a few weeks and it did help. I did my research and I'm happy that I didn't poison my baby thanks

You are missing the point. Men need more than the drug women use when they struggle to lactate . They need several and one controversial one that is approved off licence can cause heart problems for the baby !! Oh and the small issue of testosterone on the milk ! So perhaps inform yourself as this has nothing to do with you being happy you didn’t poison your baby .this is about MEN playing a mummy fantasy to babies they obviously didn’t birth and the baby is expected to be the victim and all paid for on the nhs !

[HootyMcBooby]

Presumably males will also be on testosterone blockers and other artificial hormones (cross sex) as well as the milk stimulating regimen.
Nothing like women with low milk production taking lactation stimulants.
We are talking about MEN who want to "feed" infants. What's in it for that infant?

[DrJump]

Drugs or not. A man feeding a baby displaces the mother from the baby. Breastfeeding is good for women's health. Separating baby and mother makes breastfeeding harder for both mother and baby.

[lonelywater]

every time I think gender woo has reached peak bonkers, I am always, but always, disabused of that notion. The asteroid cannot come soon enough.

[Codlingmoths]

Has it not been shown in analysis that male breastmilk is the same composition as female breast milk? Therefore for me the genuine controversy is any drugs taken and the effect that has on the breastmilk, and the broader theme of pushing something that is more for a male persons benefit - I’m all for supporting mothers but by definition if you’re male breastfeeding you are not the mother, and have concern about some examples I’ve seen in articles etc where it feels like the mother is discouraged from breastfeeding by a male partner who wants to. However if the fundamental composition of the milk is the same, the women calling it male secretions and completely different detract from the effectiveness of the arguments against this, as it’s just irrational scaremongering. Eg mypronouns men do have all the glands needed, as that journo you are criticising clearly knew well.

The analysis on milk composition is 1981 and has other medical factors so would be very useful for someone to update it more thoroughly, none the less that’s the only one I know of, it’s not like there are 10 studies showing otherwise. It’s kulski, Hartmann and gutteridge, and I’m always happy for someone more in the field to educate me on other interpretations or better reading a study, I’ve only skimmed it.

[ATerrorofLeftovers]

And here are breastfeeding women denied needed medications for legitimate health needs so it doesn’t pass into their milk….

[Upupandaway10]

@TheLovleyChebbyMcGee

The drug used to induce lactation is used in women with low milk supply to help boost it to feed their babies. I was given it for a few weeks and it did help. I did my research and I'm happy that I didn't poison my baby thanks

Yeah in women not in men

[caringcarer]

Quite honestly it makes me feel sick. First try to steal women's spaces and races now moving on to potentially poisoning and depriving babies of proper nourishment. All to satisfy some horrible man.

[FindANewFavouritePlace]

This is just awful. These men’s desire for validation comes above babies most basic need for nutrition.

Who knows what damage this will do to these poor babies. At best it is selfish, possibly rooted in mental illness and at worst it’s part of the perversion for some of these men. How the fuck is this allowed?

[Cancelledcurio]

Child abuse sanctioned by the NHS.

[ButterflyHatched]

@Codlingmoths

Has it not been shown in analysis that male breastmilk is the same composition as female breast milk? Therefore for me the genuine controversy is any drugs taken and the effect that has on the breastmilk, and the broader theme of pushing something that is more for a male persons benefit - I’m all for supporting mothers but by definition if you’re male breastfeeding you are not the mother, and have concern about some examples I’ve seen in articles etc where it feels like the mother is discouraged from breastfeeding by a male partner who wants to. However if the fundamental composition of the milk is the same, the women calling it male secretions and completely different detract from the effectiveness of the arguments against this, as it’s just irrational scaremongering. Eg mypronouns men do have all the glands needed, as that journo you are criticising clearly knew well.

The analysis on milk composition is 1981 and has other medical factors so would be very useful for someone to update it more thoroughly, none the less that’s the only one I know of, it’s not like there are 10 studies showing otherwise. It’s kulski, Hartmann and gutteridge, and I’m always happy for someone more in the field to educate me on other interpretations or better reading a study, I’ve only skimmed it.

I fear that suggesting we follow the actual research rather than vague fearmongering statements about 'chemicals' and 'male milk' is asking too much of many of the posters who have commented so far.

[catduckgoose]

There's no good reason why any of these males should be attempting to breastfeed children. It's not being done for the benefit of the child is it, it's so they can gratify themselves with the idea of having a womanly experience.

[DrJump]

@catduckgoose

There's no good reason why any of these males should be attempting to breastfeed children. It's not being done for the benefit of the child is it, it's so they can gratify themselves with the idea of having a womanly experience.

This is the key! It is not for the baby.

[buckingmad]

I was made to feel quite guilty by a male dr for wanting medication for reynauds in my nipples (which was caused by breastfeeding trauma due to lack of breastfeeding support by the NHS, I have since gone private) which passes through into the milk (with no known effect on baby).

Yet here are men getting amazing support to breastfeed. How many support groups or training on tongue tie etc could that money have funded.

[Codlingmoths]

Thanks butterfly but you may be misconstruing me- I am also 1000% in favour of following what benefits the baby and then the mother, and that’s not male entitlement breastfeeding.

[DrJump]

@buckingmad

I was made to feel quite guilty by a male dr for wanting medication for reynauds in my nipples (which was caused by breastfeeding trauma due to lack of breastfeeding support by the NHS, I have since gone private) which passes through into the milk (with no known effect on baby).

Yet here are men getting amazing support to breastfeed. How many support groups or training on tongue tie etc could that money have funded.

Not just amazing support. Whole organisation are rewriting their language. Volunteers are being pushed out if they don't agree. Governments are requiring support organisations to provide breastfeeding parents support rather than mothers to obtain grants. Organisations that have be founded and run by mothers from their kitchen tables for over 50 years are being crippled by a movement to get men to breastfeeding. Women who have trained peer supporters soon. Because all of them will be swallowed up with nonsense.

[Noicant]

Ultimately children are not a prop for gender feelz. Breastfeeding also helps the uterus contract back to it’s normal size, it’s a natural biological feedback loop between mother and child.

The kind of person who hi-jacks this is not going to be a great parent. I’m not saying no trans person is a decent parent but this is clearly narcissistic behaviour. The only person really gaining from it is the man, possibly to the detriment of the mother and the child.

I just had a flash in my minds eye of my dad breastfeeding me, feel a bit queasy.

[Igneococcus]

Sharetoken for a Times article for those who don't believe anything in the DM:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e8011eab-bd4c-4d1f-9c1d-af25ecc9c61c?shareToken=4331bafef5242c8a7f16d9f3ddc6c03b