Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

[Heylo]

Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

The fact is that this IS happening. It has happened in the USA and in Australia.

Declaring 'it isn't happening' is a falsehood. And if we are going to get into 'well not often' that leaves one question.

How many infants is it ok to be used in this way because 'it was just a policy' and 'I don't believe it is happening'.?

Do you have a link to the letter? Because it's impossible to judge if the DM is reasonable or pushing "right wing tropes" as you call it, without it.
I have looked and can't find it. I'm just about to go and have a proper look on Policy Exchanges website and will report back if I find it there

The endorsement of a particular practice or treatment means NOTHING when the institution that says it is "safe" is captured and run by brainwashed fetishists and proven perverts.

The point is, Adam, is that this is nothing new in trans ideology world.

I was reading about lactation fetishes five years ago. Young men identifying as women on Reddit spending six months on drugs desperately trying to squeeze liquid from their nipples. Devastated that they couldn't get sufficient to make it a worthwhile masturbatory aid.

The same with period fetishes. Actually buying kits containing fake blood, etc. Men who cannot breastfeed, joining breastfeeding support groups, or pregnancy advisory groups with prosthetic bumps and then taking seductive pictures of themself lying on a bed showing their bumps.

And, of course, who can forget that terrible man who wanted to simulate a stillbirth.

And that man on Twitter who said he wished he could have a uterus transplant, in order to get pregnant, just so he could have an abortion.

Mens fetishes are never-ending and quite revoltingly creative.

What you don't expect is for the fucking NHS to take them seriously and endorse them.

Grrrrr…. I wish the most severe and painful bout of MASTITIS on any man that attempts to BREASTFEED a baby.

LBC quoting extensively from the letter. The original was sent to Children of Transitioners (CoTs) who presumably shared it with the Policy Exchange. Maybe they shared it with the BBC or the Guardian who for some unfathomable reason chose not to report it? Who knows🙄

I think there's someone from CoTs who posts on here?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/trans-woman-milk-breastfeeding/

It's breast milk.

Why?

Hello there I am confused, earlier you insisted this practice was chestfeeding. Now you refer to drug induced male nipple secretions as breast milk.

It has not been adequately evaluated to be safe. So no. It is not 'milk'.

It is a secretion from a male breast.

IF

1. there was evidence that the composition of the milk was no different from breast milk

2. that the drugs used to induce lactation and any other drugs the men (or woman) was on are not passed through the milk and can't harm the baby

3. the testing must be done in a very careful way to ensure no babies are placed at risk by it

IF all that testing shows the milk is identical (I'm not sure how it can given the cocktail of drugs mind), I bypersonally have no objection to someone other than the biological mother being able to 'breastfeed' her baby, with full knowledge and permission of course.

It never came up, but I'd have no issue with another lactating mum friend breastfeeding my baby personally.

This other person could be a grandparent, childminder, father, sister etc. Having an extra source of milk around in the household would have been very convenient, and would have also benefited my bottle refusing child because I'd have been less exhausted.

But the testing would need to be really thorough, and I would only really approve if we could ensure people did it for the right reasons, which we can't do, as that sort of gatekeeping isn't possible. The idea of using a tiny baby as a prop to pretend to be a woman is horrible. Or worst still for sexual kicks 🤢

A grandmother relocating after 40 years so she can give her daughter a break I don't have an issue with. Dad of a tiny baby where mum has died and she was very pro-breastfeeding, again is it is the same, then fine.

In most cases it's totally unnecessary anyway because of formula. Though if it was truly the same stuff then there's no harm in someone choosing the trickier route.

The thing is, these cases always seem to be about trans women wanting to lactate to replicate a female experience, rather than about the baby. It's back to validation. If it were truly about the baby's best interests, then we'd surely see dad's (especially those where mum died at birth etc) waiting to do it. But they tend to use either formula or donated milk... So take away the validation side and the demand for it mysteriously drops.

I think it’s self explanatory.

@excitedforbaby9

I know, I had the same situation and have been there. My son finally took the amino acid formula at 5 months. I used to start with bf and then sneak a bottle in, nice and warm. It is gross, but he adapted. And he started drinking lots of it once he wasn't uncomfortable any more. I was dairy, soy, egg and gluten free, stressed out and had really bad psoriasis, which was affecting my milk (also had another child to look after).

It is so hard and I really wish you luck. I hope that you can keep BF if you want yo and turn a corner once you get to weaning.

Nope.

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I don’t know what everyone is on about in these threads, I would have loved my husband to help feed the solely breastfed baby! It was exhausting, not some sacred feminine process 😅 if they could make the drugs safe I would be all for it ☺️

Sounds grim.

A quick google has turned up "Fresh Milk: The Secret Life of Breasts" by Fiona Giles which apparently contains an account of a woman finding breastfeeding to be an erotically charged and affirming activity (I haven't read it and I'm not particularly inclined to salt my search history with odd text strings any further) but I don't think this is a uniquely male phenomenon.

If ever there was something that proved these are not women it is this, prioritising themselves over a tiny baby.

And the male entitlement continues.

Now it is to find a very rare female account vs the billions of women who do not have sexual arousal while breastfeeding. To do what?

To wedge in the unnatural process of a male person feeding an infant into medical policy and to attempt to minimise the known paraphilia that is likely to motivate such a thing. The examples of male entitlement are literally jumping out of these threads.

How true.

Women breastfeeding our babies are not engaging in a sexual fetish and it's abhorrent to see a poster frantically trying to prove otherwise

I'm not particularly inclined to salt my search history with odd text strings any further)

lol

You would be all for your husband developing breasts to feed your children? Doing something his body was not designed to do and increasing his risk of breast cancer? Really? Have you thought that through, or was this just a throw away comment.

It is a misogynistic act one could say.

Oh dear, nope again.

AGP is an exclusively male paraphilia.

Women don't need to take female hormones, and testosterone suppressants in order to give bits of testosterone filled fluid to their babies.

That is an exclusively male action.

As is a transwoman coming on here to prove our point.

I'm not sure what your point is tho.

AGP doesn't exist because of an anecdote you found?

Always so useful for lurkers to hear your viewpoint, butterfly.

Thanks for this reasonable and sensible encapsulation of the issue, and for not jumping on the 'it's icky and I don't like it' train. Agreed on most points, though I file the 'validation' angle in the same category as non-birthing female partners wanting to breastfeed - if it's safe, then surely that's up to that family?

How can it be safe if there's a strong chance it's a man indulging a paraphilia?