Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

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Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Oh dear
Getting sexual excitement from female bodily functions is a uniquely male phenomenon.

Absolute bollocks to women finding it erotic, particularly if they're also looking after a newborn 24/7. Bollocks. Big massive hairy bollocks. Fake news. Shows a complete and utter and frankly astounding lack of knowledge of what looking after a newborn actually entails. Breastfeeding actually depresses both fertility and sex drive in female mammals as a general rule.

But they don't care about reality or about the wellbeing of the child. We see you.

Please give it a rest - I am starting to feel really quite embarrassed on your behalf. How on earth is it male entitlement to provide a counter-example to an insinuation that this is a male-only phenomenon? There were pages of google search results, including youtube videos - I just picked the top one.

Yes, there are pages of google results about all kind of male fetishes, that doesn't mean those web pages bear any relation to reality. At all.

Probably ought to take that up with Fiona Giles.

Breastfeeding actually depresses both fertility and sex drive in female mammals as a general rule.

Mother nature knows what end's up, clearly!

This - all day long.
As every woman on this board knows.

https://www.thestranger.com/the-queer-issue/2017/06/21/25225867/my-first-time-breastfeeding-my-daughter

One of these males writes about his attempted breastfeeding experience: "And yeah, I kind of got off on it. Don't judge."

🤢🤮

Felt disgusted even using the word "breastfeeding" to describe what he's doing.

Page one of search results contains a youtube video by the "Other People's Lives" channel on the subject. The first caller is a woman.

No, butterfly. The male entitlement is you thinking that you will ever make the smallest dent in the outrage that women feel - on the feminist section of a parenting website - over the fact that a lactation fetish is being promoted by the NHS, by finding some bloody anecdote that does absolutely nothing to disprove AGP.

It's completely irrelevant.

Many men fetishise women's biological functions.

And you still think that men should be able to pretend to feed babies.

Ugh.

Someone should send that to the Sussex NHS trust responsible for endorsing this crap.

Our natural revulsion at the attempts to portray women breastfeeding as a sexual fetish are leading to deletions I see.

Don’t you mean the person identified as a woman, seeing as you don’t know what a woman actually is?

You know what, I breastfed for over 6 years, not once found it arousing. Know 100s of women who breastfed, none of them did either. We had very in depth conversations about latching, fore vs hindmilk, drugs that can be taken or not and the evidence base for how much of each drug passes into the breastmilk.

Yeah, TRAs not so interested in all that, which is all about the wellbeing of the child, are they?

TRAs are going to find out just how intransigent women are when babies are threatened.

lol, that would be butterfly further, er, salting, their search history

I still can't find the letter. But LBC has been helpful:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/trans-woman-milk-breastfeeding/

Dr Rachael James's message said: "Medications are sometimes used to induce lactation, similar to the natural hormones which encourage lactation to develop when the baby is newly born although occasionally some people are able to induce lactation without hormonal treatment.
"The evidence which is available demon­strates that the milk is compar­able to that produced following the birth of a baby." This is not the same as saying its "just as good" - this is a summary of the scientific analysis saying chemically it is comparable

"The letter said "human milk" is the "ideal food for infants" " - not arguable surely? Just a statement of fact.

"staff further clarify that the term human milk is meant to be neutral and is not gender-biased" - so basically using human milk instead of breastmilk so as not to upset trans men.

I think these are all reasonable and non political statements so I see why the trust are saying "We stand by the facts of the letter and the cited evidence supporting them"

In my opinion the letter is a non story so I wonder why this is coming up now while blogs like the ones being linked aren't being reported on? Weird.

It feels to me like it's aimed more at undermining the NHS trust than any genuine concern for babies but who knows

I've just hope everyone bears in mind that these threads are monitored and anything that looks undesirable to be read, will be reported.

This thread is on borrowed time. Nobody likes the truth, don't kid yourselves. We all know what's in it for these males.

Enforced faux naivety required by men to benefit other men. Why? There's something about what women are saying that they need to hide. Quick. Before they risk others seeing it and finding out.

That probably tells you everything you need to know.

The fantasy of women finding breast feeding their child 'erotic' is like the fantasy a certain well known male is very stuck on, of rape victims having orgasms during their assault. Or trotting around wide eyed without pants in women's toilets with their tampon string dangling. Or asking men to show them how to insert their tampons. It's a male, imagining, within their very, very limited, misogynist and self focused knowledge, what it would be like to be in that position themselves, because largely, it produces feelings that they really enjoy having.

They have no concept of what reality is for women and aren't remotely interested. Real women or even other real humans have no part anywhere in this fantasy other than as props. Children have no purpose or needs of their own, and are equally just animated tools. It's disturbing. And it should not be enabled.

The whole bloody thread should be deleted then, none of this is desirable to read about!

This isn't and shouldn't be about it being an option for trans women though, but about what is best for a family and especially the baby. As I said, it's very rare that the best issues won't be formula

A male (ie trans woman) trying to breastfeed because it's the 'womanly thing' to do isn't for the benefit of the baby and shouldn't happen. Theres also a lot of risk of it being for sexual kicks. If you thought i was a fan of trans women lactating, I'm not. I just want a scientific approach taken in the first instance.

In the same way, a grandmother relactating too help out her daughter = fine. Doing it to drive a wedge, or to engage in fantasizes about it being her child = nope.

Maybe the answer if it is safe, is the only men that are allowed to lactate are those that don't want to but do so with actual reluctance. It's too hard to police.

Theres also a huge difference between (1) a woman relactating after a long time, (2) inducing lactation for the first time in a woman (3) trying to get a bloke to lactate. Number 1 is like restarting an engine (I haven't breastfed in 2 years but I can still lactate a little, and could easily up this). Number two is like starting an engine. Number three is like bringing a horse along and pretending its an engine 😂

So whilst I don't personally have the ick issue for a dad breastfeeding, I don't think it's likely it's going to work for a safely or very well. If it is safe, then in rate octaves I don't have an issue with it.

Ps: obviously males lactating is great for the dairy industry. Maybe we can get those boy babies to grow into lactating bulls. Actually, maybe we should test how safe and popular "bull juice" (🤢) is with the general population before we give tiny babies the human equivalent.

Who is up for a flat white with extra bull juice? Strawberry bull-juice shake?