Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

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Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Whoever is doing these experiments seems to have such a basic knowledge of pregnancy: "implemented a hormone-regimen to mimic pregnancy"... I mean pregnancy (and breastfeeding!) is so much more than a shift in hormones! I really think whoever's idea it was to do this has a dim view of women indeed.

From memory I was expressing over a litre a day at one point. I exclusively expressed until about four months before the little dickhead finally got how to breastfeed. I was also able to store loads in the freezer which never ultimately got used.

I was producing that much I looked at donating but it wasn't viable so didn't.

7ml.

I remember getting told off that I wasn't feeding DS enough and that I should switch to formula at one point. I asked whether they knew the amount of breast milk compared to formula milk DS should be having. They didn't know. DS was matching the Norwegian curves for weight gain perfectly (where breastfeeding rates are much higher) but was dropping centiles on the British one (where formula rates are much higher).

I ignored the idiot HV after that.

Exactly. A mother's milk volume and content fluctuates in response to the baby's needs, in ways science still doesn't fully understand. And yet science can spend time expertise money and effort on disrupting that, in order to please a male who wants to gain his desired experience. With no benefit for the baby.

It's not a men's rights movement though.

I really think whoever's idea it was to do this has a dim view of women indeed.

Indeed. Their view of women is concocted in order to satisfy their fantasy.

"implemented a hormone-regimen to mimic pregnancy".

I'd call it ridiculous and ludicrous, if it wasn't so disturbing. Not the least of which is the number of men going out of their way to enable it.

Here is another recent case study.

Novel Lactation Induction Protocol for a Transgender Woman Wishing to Breastfeed: A Case Report

Esme D. Trahair, Sarah Kokosa, Andy Weinhold, Heather Parnell, Andrea B. Dotson, and Carly E. Kelley

27 March 2024

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/bfm.2024.0012

Background: Lactation induction in transgender women is a clinical and research priority in the field of breastfeeding medicine. To date, there are four case reports detailing successful induced lactation in transgender patients who wished to breastfeed. The Academy of Breast Feeding Medicine does not formally recommend a specific medication regimen for transgender patients due to lack of high-quality research.

Case Presentation: A 50-year-old transgender woman with a hypercoagulable disorder who was able to lactate and breastfeed with novel hormone regimen management at a gender care clinic. Her baseline hormone treatment was an estradiol 0.3 mg transdermal patch every 72 hours and micronized progesterone 200 mg daily.

Results: Within four weeks of initiating a modified hormone regimen (estradiol 0.4 mg patch every 72 hours, progesterone 300 mg daily, metoclopramide 10 mg three times daily), the patient was lactating spontaneously. On multiple occasions, she breastfed and expressed up to 30 mL of milk through pumping.

Conclusion: This report offers a new effective hormone regimen for transgender patients who wish to lactate and cannot access domperidone—the galactagogue used in previous case reports. It also provides a review of previously published case reports on this subject. Future research in this field should prioritize cohort studies of transgender patients who desire lactation to further assess patient attitudes, experiences, and outcomes.

Some more background on this:

https://x.com/millihill/status/1773343604678758886?s=20

The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.
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Remember, by 7 days old an infant requires 65 ml per day.

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x553873/how-much-milk-does-my-baby-need-in-the-first-few-days

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A research priority, is it? Fascinating. I’m so pleased we’ve successfully resolved all the needs of breastfeeding women and babies, now. I mean, we must have, right? We’re not still relying on charities for basic support, are we?

Absolutely Pickled.

So much so that we are now in the world where an infants GRANDFATHER must by enabled to feed a substance from their breast to a new born.

I invite readers to consider a GP's likely reaction, should a female patient make an appointment to say she wanted help to induce lactation, so she could breastfeed a grandchild. Suppose she expressed that she felt she had missed out on bonding her own five children after choosing to use formula with them as babies?

I think she'd be given short shrift, and told the priority was the baby, and fostering the bonding process between the baby and the baby's mother. She would be told not to overstep boundaries and to acknowledge that this was her daughter's time to be a mother, not a second chance for grandma.

Funny how this man isn't being treated like an actual woman.

The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.

I wonder if his daughter even knows anything about it.

What the actual fucking fuck? I feel as if I've fallen into a parallel universe and all the grown ups have left the room.

I desperately tried to relactate after having DS. I wasn't producing enough milk to feed but I expressed every few hours to try and increase my supply and it didn't work. I went to the GP and asked if there was anything to help (after researching a little bit about drugs to increase supply) and got told no, they weren't going to prescribe anything for me to do that, he was fine on formula.
Perhaps if I was a man trying to feed they'd have helped me?

What the hell have I just read?! What utter disgusting behaviour on the part of all concerned. I wouldn’t let my mother near my child’s mouth with her breasts much less my father. In fact if he expressed such a wish I don’t think my child would be going anywhere near him ever again. That medical professionals are facilitating this sick fantasy and abuse of a child is absolutely vile and they should all be taken up in front of their respective boards and dismissed.

The grandfather involved isn't in the UK as far as I can tell. I am really saddened for the mother and baby as the mother must surely have known?
For me it reflects concerns about coercive control and abuse of children in these families, which the Children of Transitioners' founder raised to government in the GRA enquiry a few years back. https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/16837/pdf/.
It shows just how vulnerable these children are when men have lactation etc fetishes and contempt for mothers, and professionals fail to safeguard.

It is often so very hard. I struggled hugely so I completely understand.

Sorry to hear this, that sounds very upsetting.

Women seem to be put in a double bind over feeding their babies - breast is best, but if you can't then apparently you don't need help, formula is just fine.

Unless you're one of the special bepenised women, that is. Then it seems doctors will fall over themselves to make sure you can bf.

Remember, by 7 days old an infant requires 65 ml per day.

That should be per feed, though not precise. I've forgotten the formula but the volume is related to the weight of the baby.

The patient first expressed the unique desire to breastfeed her expected grandchild at an appointment with her endocrinologist in the spring of 2022. She disclosed that this was a last-minute idea that came to her very close to her daughter's due date. Her primary motivation for inducing lactation was to experience the bond from breastfeeding that she had not been able to experience with her own five children.

Wtf have i just read? Of course ‘she’ couldn’t breastfeed ‘her’ own children because ‘she’ was the father not the mother ffs.

Do any of the adults and professionals involved give even the tiniest shit about the welfare of the baby? Who will grow up finding out they were part of a sick fetish experiment to satisfy the wants of a self absorbed middle aged man role playing a new mother.

It’s as sick as fuck and I don’t understand how we’ve got to place where any sane human being thinks this is ok.

I sometimes think I’ve woken up in a parallel universe where the human race has actually lost its marbles

In the days before formula milk was invented it was common for women other than a mother to breastfeed a baby, even the grandmother. Haven't you heard of a "wet-nurse"?

I am really sorry you were given such utterly shit support.

There has recently been more research into women’s feelings when they have low supply. It maybe of comfort that you are not alone. https://theconversation.com/some-womens-breasts-cant-make-enough-milk-and-the-effects-can-be-devastating-224858

But yes, at the moment I think if you were a man you would have been given more support particularly from breastfeeding organisations who are bending over backwards to centre men.

Of course I’ve heard of a bloody wet nurse. I’m not sure what relevance that has to a situation where a grandparent expresses a wish (in the absence of any input from the mother asking for help with infant feeding as the baby hadn’t even been born yet) to breastfeed a grandchild!! And there is formula now so there is no need to do this except to feed a sick fantasy.

You are right Fanny. I was rushing. That is per feed. And so is the amount pumped after the feed by this male.

Even the grandmother?

Really?

or wet nursing tended to happen where an already nursing mother came and helped out.

Either way…. Never the grandfather. And these days, in the country this paper written about, either formula or donated breast milk would have been available, so no need for this male to do this.

Yes, the doctor said to me “that’s what formula was invented for.”

Are you one of those people who thinks cows naturally produce milk without having to have a calf first?

They don't. In order to obtain dairy milk, cows are bred, and then the calf is removed. When her milk naturally dries up, she is reimpregnated and the process is repeated.

There are some men who believe women also constantly produce milk as a default state, but female humans are just like all the other female mammals: we naturally only produce milk after giving birth, medical conditions excepted. Our milk supply responds to demand, and so naturally dries up as that baby is weaned.

Wet-nurses were post-partum women. Absolutely not grandfathers!

Wet-nurses were post-partum women. Absolutely not grandfathers!

Bears repeating.