Trans women feeding chemical ridden milk to babies - approved by NHS

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Are people aware of this?
This has gone too far. Throwing women and children under a bus is one thing. Now babies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13095965/Row-hospitals-say-hormone-filled-milk-trans-women-born-male-just-good-baby-real-thing.html?ito=native_share_article-top

What percentage of patients does this even apply to? Why are we re-writing guidance wholesale for a small group of individuals?

Perhaps you can describe the benefit to a newborn of ingesting tons of testosterone, plus testosterone suppressants, plus cross sex hormones, in order to fulfil the fantasy of a man?

From the other thread:

"I found a study that looked at the hormone levels in women breastfeeding. A breastfeeding women without PCOS has the following testosterone levels at 4 weeks and 8 weeks of breastfeeding :

Ng/ml
4th wk 0.13
8th wk 0.11

A woman with PCOS (ng/ml)
4th week 0.21
8th week 0.26

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 2.56 ng/ml. That was with the suppression drug that was not noted to change in dose throughout this period. And that suppression is known to be unreliable so the level of testosterone may have fluctuated during the feeding time.

No testing of testosterone was done on this substance being fed to the infant from what I can see either. In fact, there was NO testing noted on that substance in this study!"

And women aren't allowed certain medications when bf in case it affects the baby.

They’re also not allowed basically anything other than paracetemol during pregnancy because it, quite rightly, is unethical to test on foetuses, yet this is ok?!

Stolen from the kiwifarms (shield your eyes anyone who can't bear to click on a DM link).

None of this, none, is in the best interests of the baby

Thanks for the share token. I can't believe what I'm reading.

I would be interested to know where theses babies coming from, the men can't have given birth to them. What sort of mother would consent to this?

This!

thete is no benefit whatsoever for the baby here. It’s all about appropriating (yet another) female experience

I really cannot think of any other way of describing this.

this is INSANE.
Porn- sick men who have convinced politicians and corporations that the gen public need to accommodate their fetish.

I’ve never voted Tory in my life but I am literally terrified of what is coming next. I mean, what next seriously. Madness.

good Question. That man who recently raped a toddler in Manchester with headline ‘woman rapes toddler’ begs the same question.

who is providing these babies?

When I gave birth last year, formula was almost viewed as the devil by midwives and yet this is going to be seen as perfectly acceptable by the NHS? How about the NHS spends more time and money improving maternity care for women and babies rather than on this nonsense.

Yes. Where are these men getting the babies? This is too far.

FFS. I didn't even take paracetamol while breastfeeding. Because my children came first. Like any actual mother would.

Allowing men to take a cocktail of drugs in order to stimulate lactation is not for the good of the babies now is it?

Well its obviously not just transwomen that can breastfeed…any male can can

surely the headlines should say ‘the breastmilk of men on drugs is just the same as women’s breastmilk’

I wonder what would happen if a non-trans male asked to be prescribed the medication necessary to induce lactation so he could "breast" feed his child? Would he be given them or told that it wasn't a good idea? Would concerns about safeguarding be raised?

And men asking for drugs so they can donate their 'milk' presumably won't be an issue either.

How much money is being spent on this freakshow? Meanwhile actual women and babies are being failed because of poor funding to maternity care. Disgraceful.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that a woman's body changes the milk it produces in response to need, and I can't get any better than that. What need, whose? But if true, I'd hazard that it isn't true of a man's body, not being subtly in tune with any thing except his own fantasies.

A biological man who believes himself a woman and tries to breastfeed an infant to validate this delusion, should be locked up

Thank you Datan for posting this - this is the missing link for me. I'm by no means an expert of any kind, other than a rather dusty and ancient biology student, but I've read various bits and pieces (mostly on here) and it is the effect of reproductive hormone levels in milk and baby health and development that's the bit I've struggled with most.

From my understanding, the substance that is produced from male glands is essentially the same substance as that produced from female glands (and the chemicals used to induce this are the same as that used in women to increase flow) so one can see a theoretical argument in favour (biologically that is, the ethical argument is a whole other issue imo) BUT it is the hormone levels that have puzzled and concerned me.

From a very brief Google search it seems we don't know a whole lot about what hormones are in naturally occurring breastmilk in anycase, particularly reproductive hormones, which seems a bit of an oversight to say the least!

I don't have access to the following paper, but would be interested in a synopsis from anyone who might:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41574-022-00742-y

I guess the argument for, is in the comparison with formula milk, rather than naturally occurring breastmilk. As an aside, it does also make you wonder what the reproductive hormones levels are like in cow's milk.

Yes. Which is why maybe we don't give it to newborns.

The information I lifted is from this thread. Several posters are drilling down into the background and composition of the fluid in question.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5010461-human-milk-ffs

Quite apart from the existing science saying it's ok being over 40 years old, no-one pushing this gives a flying shite about it. If they did, they'd commission proper, double-blind studies.

This is about men getting babies to suck on a body part because it fulfils their fantasy. It is disturbing.

Even if formula milk could - somehow - be transplanted into a man's chest, so a baby could feed from him, why would anyone think it was ok to do so? Why not just use a bottle?

Indeed. We can guarantee that if male secretions mirrored women's breast milk that would have been flagged up years ago - so simple to research. But they don't.
What is notable is that there's an almost 100% revulsion at the notion of using babies in this way across all the mainstream media outlets that have reported the contents of this letter - rare in this argumentative time but reassuring to see.
There are some boundaries that shouldn't be crossed. The principle of medically experimenting on children and teenagers has been breached by this ideology and is having to be painfully re established. So it's reassuring to see the clear message coming from society about this.

The point of breast feeding is to benefit the child.

Not to give a male the experience of having his tit sucked.