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Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"

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AlphariusOmegron · 14/02/2024 09:19

Right wingers, meant as an insult, are to blame for ruining Park Run, not men in frocks.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/14/why-have-rightwingers-made-even-parkrun-a-battleground-for-trans-people

Complain here:
https://www.theguardian.com/info/2014/sep/12/-sp-how-to-make-a-complaint-about-guardian-or-observer-content

Voices must be heard, even if this is an opinion piece. This mad ideology only continues whilst we allow it and not speaking up is a CHOICE to allow it to keep happening.

Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people? | Jonathan Liew

When non-competitive, mass-participation jogging is annexed by the culture warriors, it’s clear there are other agendas at play

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/14/why-have-rightwingers-made-even-parkrun-a-battleground-for-trans-people

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/02/2024 13:55

theilltemperedclavecinist · 14/02/2024 13:18

How deluded do you have to be, to think that if transgender athletes swept the board in women's sports, the reaction of the world would be "how inspiring! You go, girls"?

Yes, misogyny is rife. But people who like sport tend to have quite strong ideas about cheating don't they?

Wait! What would Joey Barton say?

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Agreed. The comments under sports articles in the Telegraph for example are some of the terfiest you'll read. Countless men who completely get the unfairness with some excellent writing about women's sport including their Chief Sports Writer Oliver Brown who covers this issue thoroughly:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/golf/2024/01/23/time-golf-crushed-trans-ideology-hailey-davidson-nxxt-women/roughly:

It is time golf crushed noisy trans ideology with some common sense

Hailey Davidson admits to an inherent physical advantage and then absurdly insists the sport should just turn a blind eye

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/golf/2024/01/23/time-golf-crushed-trans-ideology-hailey-davidson-nxxt-women

UltraLiteLife · 14/02/2024 13:58

Anya Palmer has a useful thread with examples of challenges re: women's sports from 2019:

Women have been pointing out your callous disinterest in their right to fairness in sport for 5 years now. Some examples to follow. I'm sure it suits you to believe some right wing think tank is putting us up to it, but no. You deserve to be called out on this. We will not stop.

https://x.com/anyabike/status/1757720846502592922?s=20

Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"
NewOrder · 14/02/2024 15:05

Maybe its because when you refer to trans people as 'Men in frocks' you sort of undo your argument that its about protecting women's rights and spaces rather than being transphobic.

StephanieSuperpowers · 14/02/2024 15:09

A bit of clarity helps sometimes though. They are men, not a type of woman.

lechiffre55 · 14/02/2024 15:09

@NewOrder
Could you explain how 'Men in frocks' is transphobic in your opinion please.

NewOrder · 14/02/2024 15:10

lechiffre55 · 14/02/2024 15:09

@NewOrder
Could you explain how 'Men in frocks' is transphobic in your opinion please.

Because its clearly meant as a slur.

InvisibleDuck · 14/02/2024 15:10

So much utter nonsense in that article but I'm just going to pick on one line.

"And so once you erase trans women from physical sport, you move to sports such as chess and darts"

  1. Competing in the correct sex category is not being 'erased', that's total rubbish.
  2. Do you think there are good reasons for separate women's competitions in chess and darts? If no, it should all be mixed. If yes, males should not compete in the women's category.
Cancelledcurio · 14/02/2024 15:13

Came over here to see if the sisters had seen it . I'm so angry that these idiots get paid to produce untrue nonsense such as this . What a hideous wee privileged man. Is he trying to be the new Talcum? I never read the Guardian but was checking it to see about that One Day thing for ma daughter .

SinnerBoy · 14/02/2024 15:15

UltraLiteLife · Today 12:45

JK Rowling's response to the author:

Thank you.

lechiffre55 · 14/02/2024 15:16

@NewOrder
Because its clearly meant as a slur.
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Well I have a consistency problem with that.
You see many gender ideologues use the acronym TERF as a slur. A recent tribunual found that as a matter of ( legal ) fact. And yet gender believers say it's not a slur because it's simply a description Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. And being a true description it can't be a slur.
By that same logic man in a frock can't be a slur, because it's just a true description.
So either TERF is a slur, or if it isn't then neither is man in a frock.

StephanieSuperpowers · 14/02/2024 15:16

NewOrder · 14/02/2024 15:10

Because its clearly meant as a slur.

Being a little bit rude about men cheating women out of their rightful places? It's the usual, isn't it? You don't mind what men actually do to women, but women must be polite and flatter men's self image about it.

SinnerBoy · 14/02/2024 15:19

Ooh. 3 months on Twatter and I've had my first retweet!

StephanieSuperpowers · 14/02/2024 15:20

What did you say for us not on twitter losers/luddites?

Waitwhat23 · 14/02/2024 15:21

From Moley -

Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"
Abhannmor · 14/02/2024 15:21

God what an unhinged diatribe. Can't get away from this tendentious garbage even on the bloody sports pages. Has Sean Ingle been booted? He is one of the very few on the Guardian who still makes a bit of sense.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 14/02/2024 15:25

I read that because I'm a masochist. Beyond the appalling misogyny, why isn't the Graun ashamed to print an "article" filled with cheap-shot insults and falsehoods. It's also unstructured and poorly written.
I liked too how he treated the news channel interviewing a few people who said there's no problem as a referendum on the entire issue 🙄

maltravers · 14/02/2024 15:32

I thought men who cross dress were trans according to Stonewall and therefore it would be an inspiring thing for them to take women’s records according to Jonathan L. Surely “men in frocks” would be on point @NewOrder?

Abhannmor · 14/02/2024 15:34

Old commies like me understand the link between testosterone , bone density , lung capacity etc and sporting performance quite well , Jonathan.

It's not only right wing people who know basic biology. No comments open of course.

EsmaCannonball · 14/02/2024 15:35
  • I used to be called Bernard but now I want to compete in women's sports.
  • Sorry, mate. 'Sport isn't fair.'

Why is that never the way the unfairness flows?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 14/02/2024 15:46

NewOrder · 14/02/2024 15:05

Maybe its because when you refer to trans people as 'Men in frocks' you sort of undo your argument that its about protecting women's rights and spaces rather than being transphobic.

Always a leap to the defence of the menz. Next it'll be 'calling transwomen transwomen is transphobic!'.

AlphariusOmegron · 14/02/2024 15:47

NewOrder · 14/02/2024 15:05

Maybe its because when you refer to trans people as 'Men in frocks' you sort of undo your argument that its about protecting women's rights and spaces rather than being transphobic.

You may think that, I do not. I do not believe it is transphobic to say that trans women are in fact, men in frocks and, I happen to know that's a legally protected belief.

What a wonderful world we live in where we can have different opinions.

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SamW98 · 14/02/2024 15:52

I don’t care if this the millionth time it’s been posted - this says it all

Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"
Wormwoodgal · 14/02/2024 15:53

Just sent this to the Grauniad:
Dear Madam or Sir,
I’d like to suggest a correction to the title of this article:
Why have trans rights activists made even parkrun a battleground for women?
Yours sincerely
Wormwoodgal

EasternStandard · 14/02/2024 15:54

SamW98 · 14/02/2024 15:52

I don’t care if this the millionth time it’s been posted - this says it all

So sad this is happening

What can we do?

I don’t want dd to have this

murasaki · 14/02/2024 15:54

Jonathan and Barton sitting in a tree,
Spouting their misogyny.

I reckon he'd be appalled to be compared to Barton, but they aren't that different at a base level.

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