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Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"

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AlphariusOmegron · 14/02/2024 09:19

Right wingers, meant as an insult, are to blame for ruining Park Run, not men in frocks.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/14/why-have-rightwingers-made-even-parkrun-a-battleground-for-trans-people

Complain here:
https://www.theguardian.com/info/2014/sep/12/-sp-how-to-make-a-complaint-about-guardian-or-observer-content

Voices must be heard, even if this is an opinion piece. This mad ideology only continues whilst we allow it and not speaking up is a CHOICE to allow it to keep happening.

Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people? | Jonathan Liew

When non-competitive, mass-participation jogging is annexed by the culture warriors, it’s clear there are other agendas at play

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/feb/14/why-have-rightwingers-made-even-parkrun-a-battleground-for-trans-people

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zanahoria · 14/02/2024 11:07

" I have a lot of time for Navratilova, a tireless campaigner against social and political injustices far beyond her own sport and her own circumstances. But on this one, she’s sadly misguided. You know what? Sport isn’t fair. "

Everyone knows that but women's sport literally exists so that women get a fair chance. The logical conclusion to his world view is that it should not exist.

He clearly does not believe in equal opportunities for men and women.

Why is he even on the Guardian?

BackToLurk · 14/02/2024 11:11

zanahoria · 14/02/2024 11:07

" I have a lot of time for Navratilova, a tireless campaigner against social and political injustices far beyond her own sport and her own circumstances. But on this one, she’s sadly misguided. You know what? Sport isn’t fair. "

Everyone knows that but women's sport literally exists so that women get a fair chance. The logical conclusion to his world view is that it should not exist.

He clearly does not believe in equal opportunities for men and women.

Why is he even on the Guardian?

JL seems to have ignored the existence of the (sport-inspired) saying ‘a level playing field’.

Rhythmisadancer · 14/02/2024 11:16

spat my tea out at this this morning - not going to give it more traffic but in the penultimate paragraph he says something along the lines of "the message is this is not your space transwomen, and you're not welcome in it regardless of how you identify" as though that's some sort of gotcha. That's exactly what we're saying. And we mean it. Now fuck off you misogynistic little prick.

zanahoria · 14/02/2024 11:16

Although the saving grace here is that The Guardian are actively encouraging replies to an article that has been penned by the most gormless and tactless male TRA at their paper. Even OJ tends to avoid the sports arguments as he knows it is a weak spot.

I will wait for the replies before judging them on this one.

Rhythmisadancer · 14/02/2024 11:17

Far further left than the bloody Guarniad btw

MILTOBE · 14/02/2024 11:17

The reason he calls us right wing is because he knows we would find that a huge insult. I'm not sure why not wanting my daughter to come second to a TW in a women's race makes me right wing. No one wants the TW to not run in a race, just not in our race.

Imagine the PE teacher running against his younger pupils and shouting, "I won! I won!" Everyone's eyes would be rolling to the back of their heads. "Well that's not fair, is it?" is what everyone would say.

How can he not see it's the same here?

RoyalCorgi · 14/02/2024 11:19

Everyone knows that but women's sport literally exists so that women get a fair chance. The logical conclusion to his world view is that it should not exist.

Of course. It's the same reason we have separate categories for under-15s, or disabled people. Or different weight categories in boxing.

These points have been made time and time again. Yet people like Liew either don't understand or won't understand.

SinnerBoy · 14/02/2024 11:21

MILTOBE · Today 11:17

How can he not see it's the same here?

I'm sure that he actually does see it, but simply doesn't care, because he wants to push his ideological point and polish his TROSH halo.

zanahoria · 14/02/2024 11:23

Liew is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He is a sports writer and this sometimes involves the politics of sport but he is clearly way out of his depth here thus the dependence on cheap jibes.

zanahoria · 14/02/2024 11:29

"The cause was quickly taken up by the press and their useful idiots on social media. Things were angrily written. Insults were slung. Noise begat noise."

and his contribution has been to bang on about culture warriors, dismiss feminist opposition as right wing, he is hardly the grown up in the room. He could taken up the words of any number of distinguished female athletes and written and intelligently saying why he objected but instead we get puerile sexist garbage

HagoftheNorth · 14/02/2024 11:37

So, it’s awful that ParkRun have scrapped the records, while at the same time, the records don’t matter because it’s just for fun. 🤷‍♀️

AlphariusOmegron · 14/02/2024 11:39

UltraLiteLife · 14/02/2024 11:07

I'm truly sorry that Sophie W wasn't able to exert the leadership of which she's clearly capable when she was with WEP.

As for right-wing, as Colin Wight expresses it:

bloody hell this is great I had not seen it, it's just how I feel, politically lost. I was never right wing, now it feels like I am being forced in

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Froodwithatowel · 14/02/2024 11:42

Women's rights, women's equality and child safeguarding is now 'right wing'

And 'trans rights' = misogyny, destruction of women's rights, women's equality, child rights and safeguarding - is now the proud province of the left wing. Apparently.

Ok. Got it. Will vote accordingly thanks. These tribalist people are out of their little tiny minds.

Froodwithatowel · 14/02/2024 11:44

AlphariusOmegron · 14/02/2024 11:39

bloody hell this is great I had not seen it, it's just how I feel, politically lost. I was never right wing, now it feels like I am being forced in

I shouldn't worry about it. When the left has abandoned inclusion, multi culturalism, disabled access, equality for women, equality for homosexuals, child safeguarding, religious tolerance and equality in general, they are only identifying as left.

The material reality is that there's nothing politically leftist about them.

thedankness · 14/02/2024 11:52

Froodwithatowel · 14/02/2024 11:44

I shouldn't worry about it. When the left has abandoned inclusion, multi culturalism, disabled access, equality for women, equality for homosexuals, child safeguarding, religious tolerance and equality in general, they are only identifying as left.

The material reality is that there's nothing politically leftist about them.

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Absolutely this. The way the left treat women, being called left-wing should be a massive insult.

PotteringPondering · 14/02/2024 11:53

I read the article, and for me it was the last straw. This morning I stopped my Guardian subscription, explaining why.

I read Jonathan Liew's nonsense just after reading this other article (shared by cancelled children's author Rachel Rooney) on why the activist left views everything through the lens of America's culture wars. Rings true.

https://www.flaneurnotes.com/post/on-activism-for-toddlers

On Activism for Toddlers

Toddlers love books. Especially board books, with titles such as The Dinosaur Who Didn’t Eat Pizza. So it was that I found myself in a Brighton & Hove library, browsing board books with a two-year-old. One was prominently displayed face-out: A is for A...

https://www.flaneurnotes.com/post/on-activism-for-toddlers

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2024 12:05

The thing that the Colin Wright picture doesn't capture is that parts of the 'left' have become very good at oppressing some people with protected characteristics. Anti women's rights, antisemitic, authoritarian ...

GrammarTeacher · 14/02/2024 12:07

ParkRun is now back to its roots. The records don't matter. You should only be competing against yourself. ParkRun is a run for everyone.
The timing and distance isn't accurate. This why RunBritain records them separately

Helleofabore · 14/02/2024 12:09

AlphariusOmegron · 14/02/2024 09:22

Should you wish to, this is my letter to the guardian, feel free to steal as much of it as you like.

Dear Editor,
I am writing to express my profound disappointment and concern regarding the portrayal of individuals who advocate for the protection of women's sports in a recent opinion piece published in your outlet. I find it deeply troubling that the article seems to categorize those of us with legitimate concerns about the fairness and integrity of women's sports as "right-wing," thereby dismissing our arguments and concerns as purely politically motivated.

It is my strong belief that advocating for the protection of women's sports is not a matter of political ideology but of fairness and safety for female athletes. The suggestion that such concerns are inherently misogynistic, racist, or antithetical to feminist principles is not only baseless but deeply offensive. As a parent of a daughter, I am acutely aware of the importance of ensuring a level playing field where her rights and opportunities are not compromised.

Additionally, I find it particularly offensive that a man has authored this piece on a matter so intrinsically linked to women's rights and spaces. This choice effectively silences and marginalizes women's voices, further exacerbating the issue by prioritizing male perspectives on a subject that primarily affects women. Such editorial decisions undermine the importance of amplifying female voices in discussions about their own rights and protections.

I urge The Guardian to reconsider the framing of such discussions in its publications. It is essential to foster a balanced and nuanced conversation that respects the complexities of this issue, rather than resorting to divisive labels and accusations. As a long-time reader, I hope for a more inclusive and respectful approach to sensitive topics in the future.
Sincerely,

Nice. Thank you for standing up for women's and girl's sports.

Boiledbeetle · 14/02/2024 12:10

nauticant · 14/02/2024 09:42

Oh, it's that guy! He doesn't think much of women's rights does he!

Get back in your box women, you're a right wing animal if you think men should be kept out of sport. "Why have rightwingers made even parkrun a battleground for trans people?"
MatchingBedding · 14/02/2024 12:17

”Why would that be bad”. He has no idea does he? It’s only a few stupid women, in stupid women’s sports that no one cares about anyway that will lose their records, their prizes, their ad deals. So long as the trans kids (don’t get me started on that) get to see it, who cares about those girls that give up before they start. In fact it’s best they do give up then they won’t get in the way of those special people that matter more than them…not more than the men though. So long as it doesn’t impact the men. What a shite hawk.

maltravers · 14/02/2024 12:24

I see the Queen/JKR has given him her opinion on his piece/X thread. Sorry I don’t know how to link!

ErrolTheDragon · 14/02/2024 12:26

Oh, it's that guy! He doesn't think much of women's rights does he!

He's probably in favour of our right to remain silent and ... nope, that's it.

Ffs. The needs (or rather, wants, given they're not banned from competing as their correct sex) of the few do not outweigh the needs of the many in this case.

WickedSerious · 14/02/2024 12:31

ResisterRex · 14/02/2024 09:47

WE WANT OUR FUCKING STUFF BACK

4w.pub/a-message-to-those-recently-opining/

That's my kind of article.

SinnerBoy · 14/02/2024 12:34

Yes, she seems to be quite cross about something...