Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

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Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

They never seem to learn, all the years I've been on MN every GE the insults re Tories and Tory voters fly around then when the Tories win they are all shocked and a further volley of insults flies around. Same with Brexit and that went on and on and on. They just can't seem to get the message that insults don't endear people to their cause.

They can’t see it either. It’s amazing

Brexit was close. The Scottish referendum and last GE were not. But all were similar in the hectoring from TRSOH and the results.

Who knows what'll happen in the GE but I'm far from convinced it's a foregone conclusion. Labour seems likely to be split over Gaza and the Tories might not split over immigration but their 2019 voting base won't go to Labour if they're not going to tackle that issue. They'll go Reform. The Gaza issue might get swept up by a raft of independents in Labour seats.

British politics is nothing like as tribal as it used to be.

It's very sad that a Party I've voted for all my life appears to be full of people unwilling to acknowledge genuine concerns, and address them clearly and unequivocally. That's all they need to do. Not harangue and sneer.
That's how safe Labour seats were lost in previous elections.

No lessons learned.

I'm a life-long Labour supporter too, but at this point, I can't criticise any Labour voters for voting Tory on this issue. And equally, I wouldn't blame Labour supporters who say they cannot vote Tory. This is the mess we are in. I'm one of a growing number who feel disenfranchised.

I'm one of a growing number who feel disenfranchised.

That is the real tragedy and none of the Labour Lecturers seem to be able to acknowledge that or take it on board.

Like Hillary Clinton and her “deplorables” comment

Yes.

There are still a large number of people who to this day refuse to see that Clinton was viewed by very many voters as more of the same technocratic stuff from the Democrat party, and that she didn’t help herself appear less elite with comments like that. For these people, it’s almost an article of faith that Clinton was rejected because she was a woman or because Trump voters were racist.

It would be crazy to think there were no sexist or racist voters, who had that reasoning for not voting for her, but, honestly, I get the impression from reading American commentators and articles written about 2016 voters etc that a lot of American voters were desperate for something new that would shake up what they saw as a system run in favour of certain establishment sections of society and, for whatever reason, they latched onto Trump as that something new, or even as a 'Fuck You' vote to show the Democrats that their voters shouldn’t be taken for granted. Sometimes if people are feeling angry or hopeless enough they want to punish the politicians that make them feel ignored.

@UtopiaPlanitia im sure there was a large element of that in the Brexit vote

Thanks love.

I've had years of dealing with SEN teams trying to deny my kids lawful educations.

I've become hardened to lies and insults!

I'm sure there was. People don't like being ignored, and then they don't like it again when they complain about ignored and get insulted. They end up really pissed off.

I'm not sure that the best way of influencing voters is to insult them. It worked so well in the Brexit referendum didn't it?

There's a really interesting book called Beyond The Red Wall by Deborah Mattinson published after the last election. I think it was Guardian Book of the Year. I don't know if anyone has read it?

It looks at the the Labour arrogance and dismissing of concerns that caused those loyal working class voters to finally turn away in protest at not being listened to.

Do you think Labour read threads like this? How many people are on mumsnet? Must be pretty considerable.

Maybe. But they likely just brand us bigots.

Ultimately, 607 people voted on that thread. Assuming regular readers of AIBU are distributed equally across the country, that's less than two MNers per constituency, and this is why Labour thinks they can afford to lose the gender-critical vote.

I still think that's a dangerous game for them with the boundary changes, which only help the Tories.

It's worth seeing which party would've won in your constituency if the new boundaries were in place last time. We'd still be Tory.

I hadn’t heard of that book but thanks for the info, I’ll add it to my reading list.

@LWSnow You know, you’re right, it does apply to Brexit too. And, as with Brexit, the political class are still insulting the voters that they feel owe them a vote because they’re the 'good party' as Kucinghitam has mentioned.

In general, I’m coming to realise that I don’t owe anyone my vote either because of my social class, my sex, my history or the political party’s history - the parties have to offer something I want or need. And I’m fed up of ideologues, in threads like this, telling me that what I have decided I want or need isn’t an important enough basis on which to allocate my vote. If either Labour, Torys, Greens, Lib Dems, SNP, Alliance, Sinn Fein, DUP, or UUP want women’s votes they need to take us seriously when we tell them that we’ve lost trust in them….And then actually do something to restore that trust. No coasting on past glories or promises of cake tomorrow.

I didn’t bother voting as I’m on my phone and I bet loads of others are reading and not voting. There’s 8 million members on Mumsnet apparently.

We are in an interesting place really, I've been voting for many decades and although I have in the last 30 years relocated several times in a radius of only 20 miles or so I've been in conservative stronghold that swung to Libdem until a sex scandal swung that back to conservative, and now in a labour seat with a 40 year MP retiring in a location where the local population are now unwitting participants in an uncontrollable immigration experiment they're paying for in every single dimension possible.

The local taxpayers will decide if they want to carry on paying for high cost nul contribution incomers.

Those of us that live on the sea borders probably see this in real time to an extent that the classic woolly minded liberal can't and won't and doesn't actually want to when it's far more pleasing to say bigot. You get your dopamine rush.

We get a place that is no longer a place. It's a churning unstable needy and insatiable circus of 100s of nationalities all here telling us what rights they have arrived to exercise, each of them with a woolly minded liberal at each hand to shout about how much money and comfort the moneyless and comfortles indigenous population have to work to give them, or not work and just shout about the apparant evil rich others who should be willing to leave their homes and pass on their very sustenance to anyone that could not be bothered to sustain their own birthplace.

I am watching the death of this little island at the wishes of socialists and their lazy nihilism.

This is fair, but I think the follow on question has to be, what practically will change in other areas if the LP/CP get in?

I am not sure I see much change in direction for the Tories on social programs and such, even if they wanted to, I am not sure they could, and I think they are seriously lacking in interesting ideas. Possibly they will be able to get something done in terms of productivity by applying a reasonable economic strategy in a consistent way but I'm not holding out hope.

The thing is I don't see that Labour would do much differently either.

I mean, HC was more of the same technocratic stuff from the Democrat Party. Is it even arguable that she wasn't?

Or is it just that voters are supposed to be good and vote for what they are told?

"Home is the UK in 'home and abroad', but as it comes right after the child mention, my first thought was the SNP's proposal of people reporting 'hateful' comments around the dinner table."

Shades of Pavlik Morozov