Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

[ResisterRex]

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Well, that's the bold set of declarations.

They're banking on a youth quake result and that all young people agree with them and have no difficulties with the deconstruction of science, reality, major institutions and the prioritisation of a sacred caste above all others.

yeah. When Starmer said he knew what a woman was and pretended to believe in the importance of sex vs gender, he couldn't be trusted. As shown here.

Alarm bells ringing here. What does he mean by cutting NHS waiting lists for LGBT people? There are currently 7m people on NHS waiting lists, so it seems unlikely that he intends prioritising lesbian and gay people on those lists above anyone else. One can only assume he's referring to trans-specific healthcare, ie gender surgeries and hormones.

I want to know what he means by modernising the Gender Recognition Act.

Also the conversion stuff is nonsense, as we all know.

I'm going to have to vote conservative then, was really hoping to avoid that.

So attacks on women still not aggravated, because misogyny is not a hate crime, but direct the same comment at a man you think looks too feminine and it might be down as transphobia?

Home is the UK in 'home and abroad', but as it comes right after the child mention, my first thought was the SNP's proposal of people reporting 'hateful' comments around the dinner table.

Never trusted his u-turn on his previous gender statements.

He's a lying, slippery, self-serving A-hole. He might get some youth votes - but if this becomes widely known he'll lose even more women, and many men who see the danger to their children.

Who the hell do we vote for?

I'd vote for Kellie-Jay Keen's party or for Reform if there were candidates standing - otherwise it has to be Tory (and it will choke me)

What a prat.

So all of us that said that Labour couldn't be trusted on women's rights were right then? Colour me shocked!

And it is shocking. Labour can't be immune to the impact that this ideology has had on women. They must KNOW what has happened in recent Employment Tribunals and how women have been treated, even in rape crisis centres.

They can fuck right off if they think they will get my vote.

Such a disappointment.

Home is the UK in 'home and abroad', but as it comes right after the child mention, my first thought was the SNP's proposal of people reporting 'hateful' comments around the dinner table.

I had the same initial reaction - that he was going to introduce the legislation that didn't happen in Scotland, that would have silenced any dinner conversation forever, and then reconsidered how "home" was being used.

But no mention of overturning the 2021 verdict that misogyny cannot be classified as a hate crime because (I'm paraphrasing here, but barely) it is so widespread that it would be too difficult to police and make an effective law?

This from Gov.uk:
The Law Commission concluded in its ‘Hate Crime Laws: Final Report (PDF, 3.2MB)’ (published 7 December 2021) that making misogyny a hate crime may be: “more harmful than helpful, both to victims of violence against women and girls, and also to efforts to tackle hate crime more broadly” and that “…we have reached the view that hate crime recognition would not be an effective solution to the very real problem of violence, abuse and harassment of women and girls in England and Wales, and may in fact be counterproductive in some respects.”

So... it is possible to strengthen the law against hate crime derived from racial and sexual and gender orientation prejudice but women, it really wouldn't help you at all to have hate crime against you outlawed. No, no, ladies. Just shut up, smile and cope.

I can't help wondering if the paragraph I quote above is saying in effect: we can't make misogyny a hate crime because then we'd have to charge self-ID'd misogynistic transwomen who abuse access to female spaces and we can't upset them because instinctively we like to side with penis-havers, since we in power have penises ourselves and think people with penises have inherently more worth than people with wombs.

misogyny is not a hate crime

I'm actually glad it isn't, because the odds are that TRAs would find a way to weaponise it against women.

I'd put money on the first court case being brought by TW.

Wow.
So if my 10 year says he wants to be a girl, and I send him to counselling about gender dysphoria and explain he cannot be a girl, then I am potentially going to have an aggravated crime against me as well as being charged with a conversion therapy crime....

Exactly...

Labour are in such a mess on this because they are regurgitating sound bites rather than engaging.

Wes streeting seems to be hinting at third spaces in this interview from yesterday https://twitter.com/SkyPoliticsHub/status/1752059704233124087

So if wes thinks third spaces are the answer, what in practical terms is the point of a GRC and why go to the effort of 'modernising the process'

Somebody send the link in the OP to Kemi Badenoch.

Please don't vote Tory because of this single (extremely important) issue. I know it affects over 50% of us detrimentally, but Tory policy affects even more of us detrimentally - all but the very wealthy.

Wes streeting seems to be hinting at third spaces in this interview from yesterday

There's a pattern emerging where Wes Streeting says stuff that's vaguely sensible, it gets a positive response, and then other Labour politicians caveat what Streeting said to dilute the sense. It happened last week over a statement about the NHS.

Sorry but I will be voting Tory. This issue is all important to me and to my children's futures. You do you, as they say...

You need to address your pleas to Starmer.
"Please don't force women and responsible adults to vote Tory. Please speak out about Cass, child safeguarding, women's rights because at the moment women think you're a danger to women and children".

Please don't vote Tory because of this single (extremely important) issue. I know it affects over 50% of us detrimentally, but Tory policy affects even more of us detrimentally - all but the very wealthy

Didn't take long. Though interesting to see the position is now moved from begging us. How's about Labour beg us? Us women? Ya know, the old-fashioned dinosaur rights-hoarding types?

They've absolutely squandered this, and it was a fucking GIFT.

Can you recommend a party to me, then?

Greens and LibDems are a captured, woke, wash-out and there isn't anyone else to take Labour on. I swear to God that if the Monster Raving Looney party put up candidates, they's sound sensible in comparison and win by a landslide.

Okay well my maths go ... 51% of population are women. Then add in the children affected (all of them as even those who are not trans will have to be very careful what they can say and in the educational setting they will be taught gender woo as rightthink). Then consider any 18+ males with mental health problems that they may think those can be solved by surgery, So who is not negatively affected? Oh, adult males who are healthy (who may form a subset of this). Its the powerful minority isn't it?

I think I'm going to have to vote Tory for the first time in my life. I never thought it would come to this. I think the Communist Party are sound on Women's rights/trans issues and if there is a local candidate I might vote for them. Will have to check their policy first though. I wish there was a Women's party to vote for.

I cannot see what policies Labour have or are likely to effect if they get power that will make it worth while selling women's rights and children's safeguarding down the river.

Well that's it. Labour really doesn't give a damn about Women's voices do they.
And he has the absolute gall to say that it's the conservatives who started a culture war.
Mind you, I think it demonstrated a severe lack of intelligence to have Kate Osbourne in the picture with gim

Him