Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

[ResisterRex]

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Thankyou; you too. True; women are deemed unimportant and the older we get, the worse it gets.

Well, in some ways, but he was seen as a weak irrelevance...

This concerns me a lot as it seems to preempt the Cass Review and ignore the known issues around defining conversion therapy as it pertains to children experiencing gender distress.

I’m less concerned by the woman/cervix quote. The guy’s a lawyer and the law says woman can have penises. However one may feel about it, that just a statement of legal fact and any politician who denies or ignore that is an ignorant or conniving fuck.

Also less concerned by the reduce nhs wait times for lgbt - this is typically vacuous political guff and says nothing about prioritising that group over others.

I was comparing the number of surgeries, but yes, appendectomies are not elective, so fair enough.

This concerns me a lot as it seems to preempt the Cass Review

Well there's one of the first questions that should be put to him, right there.

@Yesnosorryplease I see your (entirely unacceptable) five months and raise you to 36 months for gender confirmation surgery. No one is suggesting that cancer patients be given a lower priority - speeding up the tiny handful of trans surgeries won't impact that. I trust Labour over the Tories to reduce waiting times overall for everyone. Voting for the Tories to "spite the trans" will make things worse for everyone using the NHS.

The NHS does not offer mastectomies to 16-year-old transgender people.

Gender confirmation surgery..

What a world we’ve created

Aren't Labour promising to stick to Tory spending/borrowing limits? As they did once before. Ironically enough, so they can hope to garner the votes of Tory-leaning Daily Mail readers?

Does it include children?

THIS. With bells on.

The NHS does not offer mastectomies to 16 year olds

Scottish doctors approved breast removal for 51 trans teenagers

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ff0b02b0-1a5d-11ec-8d6d-67649e90fafa?shareToken=460be491fe9ac9f798e9561e3404090c

If Keir Starmer's stance on this issue is due to him having a "trans-identifying child", he should be honest about that, just as Labour politicians who send their DC to private school have had to admit it.

Absolutely, but its's not just Starmer is it? Most senior Labour pols (including the women) are of the same mind.

Does it explicitly not include children @EasternStandard? The MO seems to include kids unless challenged. See WPATH so-called standards of care. WHO have also been playing with that ambiguity card.

Tell you who doesn't need puberty blockers: adults.

Also, now we all know executive functioning isn't fully developed til 25, I'm not sure adult should equal 18 either. Far too young to make permanent far reaching decisions about your body. But I believe I read somewhere that over 16s are being seen by the adult gender clinic. That won't end well. Poor kids.

They shouldn't be performing ANY gender reassignment surgeries on the NHS.

For the same reason they don't offer breast enlargement and nose jobs anymore. Because it's purely psychological and the issues need addressing in therapy, not an operating theatre.

This money should be put towards therapy to help these people accept who they are. The sex they were born.

Idk @Howtheweeshtwaswon

I’m struggling with the overall concept, maybe someone else can confirm either way

I think children should be kept very far from this stuff, and society should be addressing dysphoria in another way entirely. Not state funded surgery

'Gender confirmation' surgery is not life-saving, though. There is no current evidence that it even improves mental health: in fact quite the opposite.

Your 'spite the trans' remark receives my utter contempt. It does nicely illustrate, however, that for some people, women fighting for their own rights are seen as selfish and bigoted by a certain contingent. At least that's how you prefer to paint us.

(Why is it referred to as gender confirmation surgery of sex and gender aren't the same thing?)

If people are blasé about this, they should read up about what they want to do in Maine - the authorities want to take children away from their parents so they can be affirmed. Also, I believe, happening in other states.

Do you not think your ‘I see you…. raise you…’ joke is just a tiny bit offensive when we’re talking about people dying avoidably of cancer because they didn’t get treated soon enough?
The two week pathway was put in place because there’s solid evidence that treating promptly makes a huge difference to survival rates. Such evidence does not exist for gender transition surgery so it’s not really comparable.

I’m the opposite of blasé but this makes me feel ill

Indeed, our concerns really really aren’t about spite for trans people.

Anyone with any real concern for gender distressed children (clue: a fuckton of mothers) wants evidence-based care for those children, hence not wanting politicians to preempt the Cass Review.

We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care.

Is he completely stupid. If he really said this, does he understand what he is saying?

Labour will cut NHS waiting lists for urgent physical and mental health care for the following people:

L Any woman who considers themselves a Lesbian woman
L Any man who considers themselves a Lesbian woman
G Any man who considers themselves a Gay man
G Any woman who considers themselves a Gay man
B Any man who considers themselves Bisexual
B Any woman who considers themselves Bisexual
T Any man who self identifies as a woman
T Any woman who self identifies as a man
T Any man who self identifies as non binary
T Any woman who self identifies as non binary
T Any man who is gender fluid
T Any woman who is gender fluid
T Any man who is Bob on weekdays and Brenda at weekends
T Any woman who Brenda on weekdays and Bob at weekends

And everyone else who is covered by the plus

These are the people Labour will prioritise.

Why?

I cannot comprehend that man's stupidity.