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Meet the new CEO of Endometriosis South Coast

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Maaate · 12/11/2023 20:52

I don't know why I'm surprised really

Meet the new CEO of Endometriosis South Coast
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Helleofabore · 15/11/2023 18:26

Woman? Do you mean Jody? Or are you talking about the misogynist Richards?

I see. So you are prepared to give this male individual the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that you think no one personally ‘knows’ this male individual? Have you even bothered to read the thread? Well, I hope that your ‘kindness’ is rewarded and that this person doesn’t completely discredit the charity any further than they already have. In just days.

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:29

I’m not advocating for Steph, I’m advocating for any person who furthers the conversation around our absolutely horrendous treatment of people with endo. I don’t know why every conversation has to be ‘us vs them’ all the time, I’m not your enemy, stop speaking to me like I’m against you just because I don’t care as much as you that a trans woman got a job in a tiny endo charity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/11/2023 18:29

I don’t know this woman, neither do any of you I imagine

I have no wish to know misogynistic males like Steph, thanks. I've known enough standard issue misogynists in the past.

Waitwhat23 · 15/11/2023 18:30

I mean, it has started a conversation about endo....in men.

All 29 individuals worldwide.

So there's that. I suppose.

Less interest in the 176 million women worldwide, unfortunately.

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:30

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/11/2023 18:28

I think https://www.endometriosis-uk.org/ending-endometriosis-starts-saying-it which is a proper charity is far more likely to help you @SunsetBeauregarde

Yes I’ve tried - unfortunately, they’re a chocolate fireguard when it comes to actual, practical help for sufferers.

LarkLane · 15/11/2023 18:37

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:30

Yes I’ve tried - unfortunately, they’re a chocolate fireguard when it comes to actual, practical help for sufferers.

Au contraire.
I've always found https://www.endometriosis-uk.org/helpline to be extremely supportive, well informed, and very helpful in advising and advocating about reasonable adjustments in employment.

Plus they know what they are talking about. Unlike Richards it would appear.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 15/11/2023 18:37

Waitwhat23 · 15/11/2023 18:30

I mean, it has started a conversation about endo....in men.

All 29 individuals worldwide.

So there's that. I suppose.

Less interest in the 176 million women worldwide, unfortunately.

Someone upthread said shades of Susie Greene, and I agree. I don't think this is a charity created to meet a need. I think this is a need created to justify a charity, as a front to catapult a niche/flawed/irrelevant PhD study into some sort of cause du jour. Much like Mermaids, the unthinking Ben Bradshaw types will fall over themselves to elevate them, whist clearly knowing bugger all about the cause or the people involved in this org.

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:44

That’s great, can you tell me how you got them to support you because I’ve asked at numerous points for assistance with advocacy, asked them for a virtual endo awareness training for my HR, asked for help supporting me with asking for reasonable adjustments and also asked for help getting NHS referrals eg: what to ask for, how to advocate for myself etc. Granted, much of that was through covid etc but my experience with them wasn’t great. I’d be delighted to be wrong!

Froodwithatowel · 15/11/2023 18:44

I don’t care as much as you that a trans woman got a job in a tiny endo charity.

I'm afraid if that's what you think women are angry about, you've not been listening or understanding to what they're saying and you've missed all the relevant points.

TinselAngel · 15/11/2023 18:44

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:29

I’m not advocating for Steph, I’m advocating for any person who furthers the conversation around our absolutely horrendous treatment of people with endo. I don’t know why every conversation has to be ‘us vs them’ all the time, I’m not your enemy, stop speaking to me like I’m against you just because I don’t care as much as you that a trans woman got a job in a tiny endo charity.

You haven't addressed the fact that he's a misogynist.

LarkLane · 15/11/2023 18:49

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:44

That’s great, can you tell me how you got them to support you because I’ve asked at numerous points for assistance with advocacy, asked them for a virtual endo awareness training for my HR, asked for help supporting me with asking for reasonable adjustments and also asked for help getting NHS referrals eg: what to ask for, how to advocate for myself etc. Granted, much of that was through covid etc but my experience with them wasn’t great. I’d be delighted to be wrong!

I rang them. Hth.
https://www.endometriosis-uk.org/menstrual-health-work

Boiledbeetle · 15/11/2023 18:59

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:20

Unfortunately, my employer disagrees - many, many conversations later I now have reasonable adjustments but it was such a fight. There’s a perception that endo is just ‘bad periods’ which is maddening - I bled through a maternity pad inside a pair incontinence pants, worn inside a pair of period pants and ruined an office chair in a HR meeting where we were (ironically) discussing how they need me to give notice if I’m going to be off sick (whole other story!). That was sure say I think they actually started listening to me.

What I would have loved is support from an endo charity, who could have come in an educated HR for me and helped me advocate for myself.

I don’t know this woman, neither do any of you I imagine, but I personally would rather give her time in the role to demonstrate her value before writing her off. It’s a tiny local charity, and if her appointment to the role starts a conversation about endo I’m all for it.

Her? You do realise Jodie isn't the new CEO don't you? It's the woman hating Steph that was on with her,

IcakethereforeIam · 15/11/2023 19:01

I'd like to think Jodie is now reflecting on her advocacy and rethinking on her small part in the eras.... nah! She's probably currently being lovebombed by tras, will dig in deeper, blame us awful transphobes and try not to listen to that tiny niggling voice in her head.

I hope she puts the experience behind her though. She's got good intentions, which pave the road to somewhere that escapes me for the moment, but I'm sure it's nowhere bad 😊

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 15/11/2023 19:09

This is an excerpt from a blog by a trans activist, advising other trans activists on how to infiltrate women's organisations and disrupt their work.

Give it a read.

Resisting TERF’s and Transforming Their Organizations

A solid first step is to create organizations that are inclusive to all that are redundant with whatever function the TERF’s run. Sometimes it’s enough to simply beat the TERF’s at their own game. People like less discrimination, not more. Our trend as a society is toward greater understanding of one another. For this to happen, you have to provide a viable alternative to whatever function the TERF’s are currently offering so people can choose to avoid them.

For example, in Vancouver, you have several great rape crisis centers, such as the WAVAW, that serve all women. That stands in contrast to centers who abuse the notion of “women only spaces” to ban women from aid. All of these centers are universally superior in safety, size, and quality to centers that are not inclusive.

In Austin, we have Central Texas Femdoms (CTFD), a kink group for dominant females that is trans inclusive. They formed due to the transphobic comments of the founder of another pro-Domme organization. As a result, the TERF run group is nowhere to be found, as CTFD is the one with access to local play spaces and clubs.

A famous historical example is <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/JSaVT/www.transadvocate.com/how-terf-violence-inspired-camp-trans_n_14413.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Camp Trans. This was the alternate music festival setup across from MichFest, a music festival that was sick with TERF influence. While it sadly ended in 2012, its legacy lives on. It served thousands of women of all kinds and provided a safe harbor for community to thrive. (More about MichFest later.)

Leadership Reform

You make a group that does everything the TERF group does, but without the unnecessary hate. Yet the TERF group finds a way to persist. Now what?
A gradual strategy that can succeed is infiltration and replacement. Entryism is a century old non-violent tactic that works in any group that uses voting to determine leadership. Gather a group of like-minded allies, join the group, and then vote one another into key positions. Attract more via outreach and over time the group will be geared toward promoting social justice and human rights.

(continues)

With TERF groups, many will likely try to ban trans women from membership. This can be worked around. Cis women allies can easily enter a given organization. If they work as a collective, it’s a matter of figuring out the number needed to achieve a simple majority (or whatever number is needed to overrule attempts to stop the bloc). For example, if a collective has about 25 members, then a group as small as 30 could wrest control from the bigots.

Then, when it comes time to select leaders, remove the old bigoted guard and install rational leadership. Done correctly, this is a wonderful bloodless democratic coup. It’s enabled since TERF’s are a tiny — if loud — minority of all women. Finding women willing to help replace their hate with love and inclusiveness is therefore not an impossible task.

This tactic is especially sound when trying to take over a group that has resources and performs functions that are important to the broader community, but happen to be biased against women. For example, discriminatory rape crisis centers on one hand perform an important function for the segment of women they do serve, even as they impose misogynist exclusionary definitions of who they’ll treat. Maintaining continuity for the delivery of this kind of service is important — no one wins if they’re shut down or disappear. A gradual internal take over simply allows the organization to stop being a hate group while still caring for women in need.

Purse Strings

Let’s say the group has taken steps to make entryism difficult or maybe their size makes that approach too difficult. Now external pressure becomes the main method, as this can yield positive results. The easiest target: the group’s money. Financial pressure is a proven way to cause a group to reform or shut them down so one of the before mentioned parallel groups can take their place.
There are several ways to hurt a hate group’s purse strings: political lobbying, boycotts, picketing, and lawsuits.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 15/11/2023 19:11

oh for heaven's sake

CriticalCondition · 15/11/2023 19:12

Blimey. There's some quick-fire monitoring going on. Quelle surprise.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 15/11/2023 19:14

auto-filter. But it's of something HIGHLY relevant.

Let's see if this works.

Resisting TERF’s and Transforming Their Organizations – Laura Izaguirre (archive.li)

ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 19:15

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 15/11/2023 19:09

This is an excerpt from a blog by a trans activist, advising other trans activists on how to infiltrate women's organisations and disrupt their work.

Give it a read.

Resisting TERF’s and Transforming Their Organizations

A solid first step is to create organizations that are inclusive to all that are redundant with whatever function the TERF’s run. Sometimes it’s enough to simply beat the TERF’s at their own game. People like less discrimination, not more. Our trend as a society is toward greater understanding of one another. For this to happen, you have to provide a viable alternative to whatever function the TERF’s are currently offering so people can choose to avoid them.

For example, in Vancouver, you have several great rape crisis centers, such as the WAVAW, that serve all women. That stands in contrast to centers who abuse the notion of “women only spaces” to ban women from aid. All of these centers are universally superior in safety, size, and quality to centers that are not inclusive.

In Austin, we have Central Texas Femdoms (CTFD), a kink group for dominant females that is trans inclusive. They formed due to the transphobic comments of the founder of another pro-Domme organization. As a result, the TERF run group is nowhere to be found, as CTFD is the one with access to local play spaces and clubs.

A famous historical example is <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/JSaVT/www.transadvocate.com/how-terf-violence-inspired-camp-trans_n_14413.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Camp Trans. This was the alternate music festival setup across from MichFest, a music festival that was sick with TERF influence. While it sadly ended in 2012, its legacy lives on. It served thousands of women of all kinds and provided a safe harbor for community to thrive. (More about MichFest later.)

Leadership Reform

You make a group that does everything the TERF group does, but without the unnecessary hate. Yet the TERF group finds a way to persist. Now what?
A gradual strategy that can succeed is infiltration and replacement. Entryism is a century old non-violent tactic that works in any group that uses voting to determine leadership. Gather a group of like-minded allies, join the group, and then vote one another into key positions. Attract more via outreach and over time the group will be geared toward promoting social justice and human rights.

(continues)

With TERF groups, many will likely try to ban trans women from membership. This can be worked around. Cis women allies can easily enter a given organization. If they work as a collective, it’s a matter of figuring out the number needed to achieve a simple majority (or whatever number is needed to overrule attempts to stop the bloc). For example, if a collective has about 25 members, then a group as small as 30 could wrest control from the bigots.

Then, when it comes time to select leaders, remove the old bigoted guard and install rational leadership. Done correctly, this is a wonderful bloodless democratic coup. It’s enabled since TERF’s are a tiny — if loud — minority of all women. Finding women willing to help replace their hate with love and inclusiveness is therefore not an impossible task.

This tactic is especially sound when trying to take over a group that has resources and performs functions that are important to the broader community, but happen to be biased against women. For example, discriminatory rape crisis centers on one hand perform an important function for the segment of women they do serve, even as they impose misogynist exclusionary definitions of who they’ll treat. Maintaining continuity for the delivery of this kind of service is important — no one wins if they’re shut down or disappear. A gradual internal take over simply allows the organization to stop being a hate group while still caring for women in need.

Purse Strings

Let’s say the group has taken steps to make entryism difficult or maybe their size makes that approach too difficult. Now external pressure becomes the main method, as this can yield positive results. The easiest target: the group’s money. Financial pressure is a proven way to cause a group to reform or shut them down so one of the before mentioned parallel groups can take their place.
There are several ways to hurt a hate group’s purse strings: political lobbying, boycotts, picketing, and lawsuits.

That actually makes me feel sick.

ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 19:16

Oh, it's Izaguirre. I see.

CriticalCondition · 15/11/2023 19:17

I can see your original post now NeighbourhoodWatch.
A supplement to the Denton's playbook I think.

CriticalCondition · 15/11/2023 19:24

It puts me in mind of those insects that ensure their successful reproduction by laying eggs in the live body of another species. The eggs hatch and the young's first meal is their host as they eat their way out of its body.

Signalbox · 15/11/2023 19:25

SunsetBeauregarde · 15/11/2023 18:20

Unfortunately, my employer disagrees - many, many conversations later I now have reasonable adjustments but it was such a fight. There’s a perception that endo is just ‘bad periods’ which is maddening - I bled through a maternity pad inside a pair incontinence pants, worn inside a pair of period pants and ruined an office chair in a HR meeting where we were (ironically) discussing how they need me to give notice if I’m going to be off sick (whole other story!). That was sure say I think they actually started listening to me.

What I would have loved is support from an endo charity, who could have come in an educated HR for me and helped me advocate for myself.

I don’t know this woman, neither do any of you I imagine, but I personally would rather give her time in the role to demonstrate her value before writing her off. It’s a tiny local charity, and if her appointment to the role starts a conversation about endo I’m all for it.

You’re employer may disagree but that puts them at odds with already existing law. So there’s is no need for Steph to be campaigning for a change in law as you suggested.

Waitwhat23 · 15/11/2023 19:38

ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 19:15

That actually makes me feel sick.

And of course, when they couldn't force Vancouver Rape Crisis Centre (the only Centre to offer single sex counselling among a plethora of organisations which offered mixed sex and trans specific services) to accept trans identifying males as service users or employees, when nailing a dead rat to their doorway didn't work, the TRA's then turned their attention to a determined effort to defend the Centre.

It's not about inclusion. It's ridiculously naive to believe it is. Complete and utter capitulation is the end game.

WickedSerious · 15/11/2023 19:38

'Her' appointment.🙄

Ugh.

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