Trans Ideology - a real life debate

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So something that is far too rare - a proper debate

For me positions can be summarised as:

Mark Glenening - free speech paramount - and shouldnt have compelled speech
Helen Joyce - Single sex spaces are needed - males need to keep out - however they identify
Freda Wallace - Me, me, me, my sex life, me
Peter Tatchell - Akin to fight for gay rights, black rights. I don’t see any issues. Be kind.

Terfosaurus you were actually pretty clear in the first place that your son was not a young child.

You said in that initial post that he was bullied at school by teenaged boys. So by that logic, there should have been no confusion that this was at least a tween if not a teenaged boy.

I believe that Alpha does think that your son should be allowed in the female toilets. Maybe over night though, Alpha might come up with another answer.

And our evil lack of charitable going without anything so that men can make special happy choices.

Whilst being fluffy.

Well, Frood, I was going to say that Terfosaurus was very charitable in giving that particular poster the benefit of the doubt. Something that after all these posts, I am not interested in extending to Alpha.

https://twitter.com/RoseInWanderla1/status/1719369305496645672?s=19

I'm not going to stick a screenshot on this one.

@Datun it's getting chilly out and I know you'll be looking to dress up to go for that pint with your new friend so I've found the perfect socks for your date.

They'd go great with my green skirt kilt

I can't help but think that some people are going to be in A and E after getting the handles caught on things!! I still want a pair though!!!

At least I'd be able to use my sgean dhu to cut the loops in extremis. If it wasn't just a bit of wood with no blade, that is.

I've been watching this thread with interest. Some great comments - but just to be clear to our resident identitarian: no man, whatever his wardrobe choices, radical surgeries or (entirely subjective) feelings about himself belongs in a women-only space. Women exist and have a right to dignity and safe, single sex spaces. Your presence stops many women from using facilities. What about you 'being kind'?

And if you don't have a disability, you absolutely should not be using the disabled loos. Utterly disgraceful how they keep being thrown about as a potential third option by thoughtless, selfish individuals. You want to be considered and respected, I see none of that coming the other way.

What fresh hell is this @Boiledbeetle?

Those socks are a Casualty opener waiting to happen.

Alpha’s Great Posts indeed.

😁

Thank you for this:

"The question is how far out of your way you're prepared to go to use it."

Quite a long way, though this can be situational. I really hate using single sex toilets and as mentioned before would avoid them when I reasonably can.

You absolutely know with 100% certainty that if you use the ladies you will be expelled / fired / arrested. Does your answer change?

It changes insofar as if things unfortunately (from my point of view) were to go way I would probably become a bit of a recluse, avoiding social spaces like pubs, restaurants etc to get the risk of having to use a single sex toilet as close as possible to zero. If necessary I probably would wet myself (not a nice thought, but at least it's not a crime) to avoid them. Or I would emigrate as soon as possible.

The robot island question is very interesting indeed. As I've mentioned elsewhere I happen to find things like dresses physically comfortable, so most likely I would favour that kind of garment even if I knew nothing about women wearing them.

Lets suppose I knew somehow about feminine body characteristics, even though I didn't know there were women around that had them. I can't be 100% sure, but I think I would probably seek to acquire them, assuming the robots were generous enough to provide hormone therapy. I just feel comfortable having that kind of body, and I believe this is something at least partly innate in me. Admittedly, I don't know 100% what is nature and what is nurture.

Hope that makes some sense.

@AlphaTransWoman ahh good you are here - so you in Isla Bryson out how are we working that?

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice
I believe Isla Bryson is currently incarcerated and therefore out of the equation, as is necessary when someone is so obviously a danger to others.

Alpha I hate to break this to you but Isla didn't get sent down for life (rapists don't) so one day they will be free. But you know damn fine I don't specifically mean Isla. So please answer the question - what system to you propose that will let you in but keep men with bad intentions and lady feeling out?

'It changes insofar as if things unfortunately (from my point of view) were to go way I would probably become a bit of a recluse, avoiding social spaces like pubs, restaurants etc to get the risk of having to use a single sex toilet as close as possible to zero. If necessary I probably would wet myself (not a nice thought, but at least it's not a crime) to avoid them. Or I would emigrate as soon as possible"

YES! I think you are close to getting it.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE FORCING ON THE WOMEN WHO CANNOT SHARE A SINGLE SEX SPACE WITH MALES!!

So, do you get it yet? Finally?

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice

That comes back to unisex options being available. If they are then the motives of someone male bodied who still wishes to use the female specific facilities would indeed be suspect. If not, then as you say it is impossible to tell.

@AlphaTransWoman And when Isla Bryson is released? How could women say, "yes Alpha, no Isla" (assuming we wanted to say "yes Alpha" in the first place)

What makes Isla (post release) an obvious danger and you obviously safe?

And Dolatowski was quickly released after sexually assaulting a girl. And even stayed in a female refuge after lying about who they were.

So, your attempt at deflection is ridiculous. There are male people who have raped and sexually assaulted girls and women who are trans who we can choose from.

How about you answer the question.

So in short there is no way for women to tell which men wishing to enter female only spaces are 'safe' and which are 'unsafe'.
My mother is triggered by any male in what should be a female only space - it isn't a value judgement it's a primal fear.

Stay out.

Interesting as the conversation started to wander off to other topics that another little gem appeared. Very bad for your eyesight all this you know?

"It changes insofar as if things unfortunately (from my point of view) were to go way I would probably become a bit of a recluse, avoiding social spaces like pubs, restaurants etc to get the risk of having to use a single sex toilet as close as possible to zero. If necessary I probably would wet myself (not a nice thought, but at least it's not a crime) to avoid them. Or I would emigrate as soon as possible"

Just imagine readers, posting this completely ignoring that women who are now self excluding from using toilets because people such as this poster insist they are going to use them (even only when 'in need') and expecting ANY woman or girl to be 'kind'.

The hypocrisy, the narcissism, the misogyny, the extreme emotional manipulation and the ignorance shown by posting this after all that we have said on these threads says it all really.

And it shows exactly that this poster knows exactly what they are doing and what they are saying.

And it shows that they are absolutely no different to that sub group of male trans people they so desperately wanted us to believe they were nothing like.

Oh, despite the obvious accident waiting to happen, I quite like those.

They look like they could help me with some hamstring exercises.

Beer boots. I'll have a bash, got to be better than beer goggles.