Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 5

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Interesting, HBC's website gives a link to a non-existent Twitter account. I wonder when it was deleted?

Do we know who tomorrow’s witnesses are? I am hoping it’s not DD as I probably won’t be able to log in or follow.

I can't remember😜😜😛

I'll just leave this here with regret I've got meetings now for the rest of the day. https://www.facebook.com/theopenuniversity.OUFASSstudents/videos/dr-helen-bowes-catton-quote/2020333961373597/

HBC starting

Jo's crowd funding is rising steadily - the effect of really seeing what she was up against at work?
£226,870 (of 240,000 she probably needs for this extended tribunal).

Fuck me, hurry up!

She's a social researcher - without sex aggregated data collection and analysis, whatever research she carries out will be worthless.

BC: exchange with Dr Williams. Your email - the gra terf thing really getting me down

BC: Visceral adverse reaction to people with gc beliefs

HBC: Wouldn't say that, no

I've got rsi from shaking my head for days on end.

BC: you write - you refer to Guardian letter as having one of people signing who I was shocked to see her as I thought she was a fellow traveller. I've felt weird about her ever since. Also met JP in person for the first time and felt similarly

BC: That's as close to prejudice as can be, to feel weird about someone on basis on their beliefs

BC: You write, I find this woman's terfiness extra shocking.

BC: This is based on one letter. An extreme and visceral reaction to just disagreeing about something

Spikes approaching for this witness. Being told you are discriminatory when you think you are on the right side of history has to be uncomfortable at best.

BC: you write you are deeply concerned that signatories to STimes letter inc 2 OU academics

HBC: I didn't name those 2 people though it's clear who I meant.

HBC: It was never c individuals, it was c OU and standing with t and nb staff and students

standing with BINGO!

Pretty much all of HBC's research appears to have been done with Meg John Barker.

Except this one where she and her mates actually publish an article about how they got together to help push out a VC they didn't like as 'a creative response to managerial terror'

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1350507620925633

HBC - this was never about people, it was about policy.

Is Standing with t and nb on the bingo card?

Good grief

How do they think this pronoun dance makes GC students feel, or students who don't have English as a first language. It's truly exclusionary to them.

I'm shocked that article was deemed ok to publish

It appears still to have been active on Jun 7, 2023. Thousands of tweets over its lifetime.

I'm so fed up I need to collect children now! Unreasonable child care duties! Can I self ID out of them? No, I cannot, here in the real world.

I'm almost jealous of inhabiting a world where this level of batshittery is permitted.

I can't stand bullies especially cry bullies. I hope she permanently has shit on her shoe.