Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 5

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

This Judge is growing on me.

The witness mic was off

oops, which is it? We'll see in a mo...Sorry if I'm misleading...

Sorry I was wrong

It's NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22 Starting now.

@Chrysanthemum5 HR depts across the public sector will be getting legal advice based on the outcome of this ET.

Most ET decisions are not put into the public domain because they don’t constitute case law. EATs are case law and so do become public. Big cases like this are included in the updates CIPD, XpertHR etc. issue to professionals signed up to their services. When we receive these we read the judgements and decide if we need to take action.

Good to know @Sisterpita

@PoshCoffee it didn't look good at the start with all the pronoun tango but I think she's having a live reaction to the ideology being under the spotlight. They can't walk away and call everyone bigots, they have to stand by their choice.

So NS felt signing an open letter was a way to calm things down

BC: your WS statement you were aware of 'uproar' about GCRN after launch. By signing and tweeting c open letter you would be adding to the uproad.

NS: Disagree. I wanted to support my t and nb colleagues cos of network

BC: Wanted to add to the noise

NS: No. T and nb colleagues were upset c way they heard about GCRN and what they thought it was trying to do and I was being supportive of them

NS: I didn't know a huge amount c the topic before the network.

Did you talk to GC people?

How does Ben avoid just saying "liar, liar, pants on fire"?!

NA: No. I didn't. Busy and not my field

NS but I am trained to think and so informed my view by my own research

Busy - bingo

have we got not my area on the card?

No where in history has anyone calmed down by being told to calm down.

NS: I did a little bit of research.

[Could be the new motto of the OU]

NS: Letter was signed by senior academics and I trust their views so i signed as well

Lol trained ti do research - but only looked at one side of the issue 🤪

NS is coming up on my searches as a Trans Activist of mega proportions. I wont post her pic, as she posts with a pic of a child

Just how many trans and NB colleagues do these people have given they all mention they are doing it in support of them?

In my whole career of 30 yrs I've had 2, both of whom were delightful and not into any of this drama.

NS - I always do my own research
....and then...
NS - I didn't listen to the podcast

Said she trusted other people's views
now is saying I did some research and reached my own conclusions.

She also read some "information" incoherent rant about the podcast.

BC: reads GCRN aims from website

BC: did I infer correctly from your answer re being unsure of real aims that you thought they weren't being truthful re their aims

NS: Can't remember. Reading it now it seems reasonable.

Oh Ben just call her a bullshitter and be done with it.