Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 4

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Is everyone else at WFTCHTJ? I did the classic thing of not acknowledging the being thrown out, so then I wasn't in a position to be let back in - hope I haven't missed the letting-back-in slot.

Yes, I think you are absolutely right. That's the conclusion I came to after I was mulling over your post last night on here. It's impossible to reason with or find reason in nonsense.

It's up to the witnesses.

(answering own q, here we are back, good)

I think it goes back to the simple thing of not being able to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Yes, this exactly.

LD retweeting Tara Hewitt.

Do i detect a tone in her last couple of 'yes' answers??

This is LD’s truth. Which is a much more special truth than the truth we might commonly consider truth. This is trans truth. And like a Jehovah’s Witness LD considers it their duty to spread the trans truth wherever they go. Constantly. And at length.

You can choose.

But they must commit to truth telling?
Idly wonders at the sight of so many OU staff evidently failing to do what they've promised....

Oh wow

What is WFTCHTJ, please?

BC - You were in breach of OU social media policy in sharing these tweets
LD - I disagree

BC: All these retweets. GCRN is transphobic. Anti-intellectual. Creating an openly hostile environment for OU staff and students

B C: You were in breach of OU sm policy. Promoting de-platforming of the group.

LD: Don't see the word de-platforming

BC: it does say to deny a platform

LD: I do see the word platform but it doesn't say de-platforming.

[Kill me now]

WFTCHTJ is Waiting for the conference host to join - a state we spend much time in, but missing which means you aren't getting in.

It's ok for the LSE to apply their academic freedom, but not the GCRN.

Waiting for the conference host to join. It's what you hear while waiting to be admitted to the tribunal on line.

Thank you for the translation!

It’s very interesting seeing someone who clearly identifies as Very Smart (LD) up against someone who actually IS Very Smart - Ben

BC- I'm not going to put each question twice, it's up to you how you answer it

I'd assumed it was Waiting For The Conference something something Justin 😃

LD needs to contact the Oxford, Cambridge, and Macmillan Dictionaries of the English Language.

Mind, they've all been very obliging in adopted other compelled terminologies so I'm sure there will be revisions along soon.

LD doesn't agree. BC doesn't bother any more, just goes on to the next defamatory tweet.

Having established that he thinks this witness of not being entirely truthful BC is now able to whizz through tweets

Although hearing BC reading then and saying 'you can fuck off' is a bit of a shock