Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

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AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

Has this been moved from AIBU and therefore lost the poll which was there before? Why was it moved?

Yes.

Why? I don’t know. I believe two threads yesterday were moved to this board. I suggest some posters cannot abide that these discussions happen on Aibu. Considering the many other out of topics threads there, one has to wonder what it is about this topic that makes them immediate targets? ( I suspect you and I both have a deep understanding why rambling)

Wow, I read the first page of this thread then skipped to the last and omg! This escalated fast….

to respond to the og post - I don’t believe Sunak has any interest in womens issues beyond causing the exact reaction I’ve seen in this thread.
If he cared about women he’d prioritise childcare and subsidised nursery places, shared paternity leave/pay, he’d address the misogyny in met police force, in the medical profession, he’d listen to lawyers, barristers and judges who advocate for specialist juries for sex offences and he’d fund actual research into endometriosis/fibroids/etc that actually debilitate lots of women

he only cares about women when it benefits him and his party. That guy can do one, he’s awful and I don’t trust him as far as I could throw him

🙄such informed, reasoned responses. Yep, typical of the Tory = big bad wolf.

And if Labour cared about women, they would acknowledge their biological identity.

They do.

That’s kind of you, this account is so new and it’s so lovely to see that almost every post is supporting Tandora.

Came on to comment on Rishi's speech. But see it's moved on a bit.

But as I'm here: I can't stand the Tories, they've got a lot to answer for including presiding over gender madness.

His statement won't move the polls. I'm sure he believes what he said. I'm also sure it's cynically motivated. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

But it's a win when the PM is the one to point out that the emperor has no clothes. Because it frees so many other people to do the same thing. And when people can speak the truth, lies lose their power.

Yes the poll was majority yanbu - about 70%

That would be your son OP. Let’s call a spade a spade here. I’m sure he’s a lovely bloke but I don’t believe he is a woman and I certainly don’t want to share a bathroom with him.

Aww don’t worry @ketchup07070, I don’t think you caused people to pile on me. people piled on me because they are angry that I support trans issues and I’m not afraid to come on a thread like this and say so. Thants all x

“But it's a win when the PM is the one to point out that the emperor has no clothes. Because it frees so many other people to do the same thing. And when people can speak the truth, lies lose their power.”

Having the PM tell the truth also means discussion can be progressed. This PM has been upfront before. But I remember when Maya Forstater won the ruling that her views were worthy of respect in a democratic society. The sense of relief that these discussions could be had in public. That on MN we didn’t have to put up with posters constantly shutting down discussions with false allegations of transphobia.

Feminist discussions centring the needs of female people is not transphobic. Yet even on this thread that tactic has been tried by multiple people. The blanket statements about Mumsnet or FWR or a certain stream of feminists. And has one non-deleted example been found?

All Sunak really has done is signal that the government is still prepared to listen and consult. Unlike other parties in the UK on this umbrella of wide ranging issues.

I remember the jubilation that Starmer may have meant that he supported women have discussions to progress equitable solutions. Not that he was clear, but that he may have said something that would open discussion. There was an expectation that women would finally be able to move past fighting to even have a motion heard in a party meeting or a stand at conference!

I cannot imagine what would happen if Starmer was clear in stating that a woman was an adult human female like the Australian Labour Party Prime Minister did. The cheer would be deafening.

And all it would mean in the current political climate is that discussion is open. Nothing more at this stage but fuck, wouldn’t that be a start?

Absolute joke that you have read my posts and think my tone is the issue. I stand by my posts and I stand by those on other threads (which you keep bringing up). Yes I’m not perfect and I get angry sometimes; I get angry at the prejudice towards a very marginalised group of people , because i find it cruel and unjust , and I get angry about the personal insults and belittling I receive for speaking my part.
but for the most part I’ve done my best to be constructive, focus on this issues, and avoid personal or ad hominem attacks. Meanwhile I have been one voice in the face of many who have repeatedly insulted me, twisted my words, and attempted to bully me into silence.
so , yeh, I’m a-ok with my tone. Perhaps you could return to discussing more interesting things - like the subject of this thread- and focus less on me?

Nope. We're annoyed that that you lie about men being women and won't have a truthful conversation about what this means for women.

Nope. I'm angry with your because you're anti women. It's as simple as that.

They always do.

Why do you expect respect from women when you constantly frame their discussion and their opinions as transphobic? You started your interaction on this thread with such accusations from your second post. You do this in nearly every thread you start posting in.

And then when women pushback you start to claim victimisation? To tell people how nasty they are, when all you are supposedly doing is disagreeing. It is a pattern.

No, you make blanket derogatory and derisive statements and then wonder why people act negatively. At least be honest.

No one is angry because ‘you support trans rights’. Most of us support trans rights despite how you try to frame poster’s opinions.

People are frustrated from your pattern of posting your opinion as being factually based when you never evidence it. And they are frustrated at your accusations of hate. That is all you have. Pseudoscience theory and emotional reasoning.

And you seem to want law and policy to be based on pseudoscience and emotional reasoning.

No. Most people are not ‘angry’ that you support trans people at all.

More lies Tandora. You are supporting the oppressors. You've made no attempt to be constructive. You've ignored questions, refused to give definitions of core issues and mocked people who've been abused. People have been trying ro get you to go back to the core topic aka answer simple questions but you refuse to. Who cares if you're OK with your tone or not in that context.

People can read the thread and judge for themselves.
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I’m not anti women though: I’m a feminist 🤷🏼‍♀️.
i just refuse to accept that trans people are a thread to women as a group. I think transphobia is routed in misogyny and a threat to women.

absolutely Tandora. they will see your misogyny, attempts at emotional manipulation and complete refusal to engage in actual conversation. they will see that you think that vulnerable women not wanting males in their space is alleged transphobia and they will see that you can't refute the evidence which shows that men who demand to be called women offend at at least the rate of all other men. they will see you.

Yes they can. Are you going to address the issue of male people in female spaces and what this means for women before page 40 or not?

🤔 Marginalised…..the result of making somebody feel as if they are not important and cannot influence decisions or events……
Demean
Deprecate
Diminish
Disparage

That is what it means to be a bio Women in today’s society.