Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcxUehh/

AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

@Tandora I have hope for you yet. There is always a seat at our table - it is a table full of wise women who protect each other and the sisters that are still young. ;)

in all honesty I think this was the nicest comment that poster could come up with. Because either your complete lack of empathy for women comes from immaturity. Or it comes from somewhere much worse.

Have you ever wondered what the internet would have been like during the glass delusion of the late middle ages? I have and I think Mumsnet would have been particularly hilarious. 😂

terf is not a self Id. it's a slur used by the people you support against people who say the things you said. you are a terf. like it or lump it

funny that, cos I know lots of trans people, friends and family of trans people, and people who support trans rights. I have never once been called a Terf by anyone expect you 😂🤔.
so I’m not too worried 😘

FUUUCK why is there not an 'historical re-enactment' board

Again, I suggest you look at the poster that was posted to and check their history.

You immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was me who was ‘nasty’. Your prejudice runs that deep doesn’t it?

I like that idea. Lets re-enact past moments of societal madness as some light relief from the current one. 😂

I must have missed the context , so I apologise for that.

I'd expect nothing less. No need to change your modus operandi just because you've failed to share one actual fact or piece of evidence here. To be clear, I fully support trans rights so at least we agree on something though I mean actual rights not just the ability to do anything they want.

I fully support trans rights

hearing this comment come out of your mouth makes me feel a little nauseated. It’s like a when religious people try to exclude gay people from the church and tell them they are going to hell, yet claim that they actually love gay people cos Jesus 🤢

Good night to those people here who have used their time to refute some of the bigotry and nonsense spouted here tonight. I do hold you all dear when faced with the anti women propaganda which some posters have shown so clearly today. Keep fighting g
ladies.

'trans rights' in their current form are at the developmental age of a toddler: tantrums, unreasonable demands, little to no empathy, rages, no self awareness, self absorption..... but with none of the cuteness.

In all honesty, Tandora is a poster who called women names for discussing medical treatments for children and adolescents on a thread. That was their first post on the thread. To declare anyone discussing it as ignorant and hateful.

Yet asks why people are ‘so nasty’….

And they seem to have completely missed the interaction initiated by the poster I said that to. The one where that poster said it to me. But, let’s not get in the way of reality here.

Darvo at its best! the ideology you support is so homophobic!!. I guess it enables you to pretend to be progressive whilst actually being a right wing conservative who is a complete nimby.

thankfully people like tandora are not in a position of power in government.... altho who knows if labour get in...

Why are you so nasty?

Why are you so deeply prejudiced against those who disagree with some of the things you say?

The hypocrisy is writ large here.

Thank you. Now please consider your past posting history and wonder why people ask you questions, for evidence and push back on your opinions. If you are wrong about accusing someone, maybe there are more you have been wrong in accusing.

I will ask again. Do you have peer reviewed studies to back up your claim that male people are no longer male once they have declared a gender identity?

Perhaps you could please explain what trans rights are and in what way they might differ from everyone else’s. How can I support something that’s never been explained.

So I didn’t miss the evidence?

There has been none given at all?

I also believe that trans people
should not suffer discrimination, and harassment for being trans, when there is no conflict with any other group’s rights. Including children’s needs. And of course, including the rights for all female people regardless of their gender identity.

There are conflicts between the demands of male people under the gender identity protected characteristic and the needs of female people. It would be foolish to deny there is no conflict at all. Therefore equitable solutions need to be found.

This will in part need definitions in law for the words female and male. And for males to be able to categorised as no longer ‘male’, scientific evidence must be produced that supports this. So, if that claim is being made on this thread, it should be expected that it can be supported with evidence.

Otherwise, it is an opinion. And should be treated as such.

And I know this post is just repeating what has been said already on the thread. But I think it is important to keep repeating this.

Because some posters continue with their deeply prejudiced view of women who disagree that males can be woman.

And by should not experience discrimination and harassment, I mean by reasonable people’s opinions. For instance, someone shouldn’t lose their job for being transgender or be not housed because they are transgender. I don’t mean excluded from female single sex spaces, sports, lesbian spaces, shortlists, job roles, prisons, hospital wards or bays, rape crisis centres and refuges, and the limited instances where sex does matter. Those exclusions are legitimate discrimination to allow female people to have their needs met.

I also mean that trans people should seek their own mechanisms of support and if they are not conflicting with female sex based rights or any other protected characteristic, great. If they are, again, equitable solutions need to be found for all.

@Tandora I should be asleep, but can't. I'm sorry I caused people to pile on you. I was just speaking from my heart about why I feel concerned on this issue. You didn't deserve the aggressive responses. You have a different view, which I don't agree with, but I do understand some of the points you make. I don't think you should respond to this, as you will get more angry posts, probably. X

Ketchup, I assure you that their posting history will reveal that they have been shaming women for their views in the past and making unfounded accusations about women and their views. I don’t believe that your posting will have been responsible, or at least wholly responsible, for any ‘pile on.’

Maybe you won’t believe that they have a long history of shaming women for holding different opinions and that is up to you and is fine. I just wanted you to not be blaming yourself.

In fact, ketchup, I just looked back and your questions were very reasonable and have been questions that I am sure tandora has been asked many times.

Maybe if Tandora is really concerned with the pushback they receive, they should change their own tone. Did you not read their second post on this thread on page 6?