Rishi - A man is a man and a woman is a woman. That’s just common sense

[WallaceinAnderland]

Looked for a thread on this but couldn't see one. BBC reporting this statement by RIshi Sunak today.

"We shouldn’t get bullied into believing that people can be any sex they want to be - they can’t," he says. "A man is a man and a woman is a woman. That’s just common sense."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67001483/page/2

But will Labour sort it out?
No is the answer.

It’s not much ask for!!!! Just to retain our human rights.

I don't think it's complicated why Sunak's doing this now. He's probing where his opposition are weak. It's his job. The bigger question for voters like me is, why won't Starmer neutralise the attack?

Good question

Of course the timing is cynical. The Tories are bastards, they just happen to be the only bastards I see a fighting chance of holding the line long enough for the gender fervour to lose it's grip. Ideally, we'd have a Labour Party who I could trust not to dismantle what little common sense remains the moment they get a whiff of power.

You know, I haven't made any bold claims about what anyone else should do. I'm just laying out my own rationale. I'm surprised how pissed off that makes people.

Either Labour hopes that the sh@t does not hit the fan on this issue (it will - the Times, Telegraph and Mail are already gunning on this, Starmer can’t win with Guardian readers alone and the tabloids won’t help him
on this IMO) OR they sort it out now and have a mad Labour civil war row in front of the country about Gender Identity at the time the country is going to the dogs.
Entirely predictable.

He might do at the Labour conference. Or he might spend the next few months quietly sorting it out within the party and giving Sunak more rope to hang himself.

The wokebros will all be ranged against Starmer if he tries to row back hard. LOJ, Billy Braggart etc. mind you they pan him anyway…

Will he hell.

He'll waffle and wibble and hope to all the gods that the public won't care about this particular issue when it comes to the GE

I’m surprised the Tories haven’t come out all guns blazing on this before. It is an easy way to make Labour look like complete idiots.

Of course the Tories have nothing to offer ordinary people, but they don’t need to – all they need to do is point at Labour and laugh, and make people aware of the batshit stuff that leading Labour people have been saying.

Perhaps Labour will get a grip on reality in time to turn the ship around, but I doubt it.

Ok, Rishi - but that's not going to pay the bills and put food on the table, or get the sewage out our rivers, or help schools or the NHS, or improve public transport, or improve policing or address pay inequality etc.etc. The comfortably off can afford to vote conservative and the struggling can't, not sure which group is bigger.

Yep.

Keep your powder dry and wait until you see the whites of their eyes…Politics dictates deploying the weapon when it can cause one’s enemy maximum harm. Here, in the run up to the GE.

The best he’s got is pls everyone don’t talk about it

They will anyway

The tories (at least those who are still in the party and not escorted out) are despicable, cynical, fascistic psychopaths. They don't care about women, children, teenagers, and I hate them for using this issue to scrape a few votes from Daily Mail readers. I consider myself a gender critical feminist, but I will not tolerate this demonisation of a part of the population and will stand with trans people if it comes to that. I am frankly scared to live in this country now, and today's speech chilled me to the bone in the same way Cruella's did.

Gie fools their silks, and knaves their wine;
A Man’s a Man for a’ that:

I think that's what Starmer might be doing, because in the end, this happened under and because the TRAs in the Tory party. Its on their record.

It’s hilarious/worrying that you think anything will change under Labour. Labour have already said there wont be any extra funding.

It's 'demonisation' to say a man is a man and a woman is a woman?

I share your lack of enthusiasm for the tories personally. I’m still hoping Starmer will man up and sort this out before the GE. I do not think he is a believer and I suspect the harms to women are becoming difficult for him to ignore now.

Rishi is right on this, but he’s not doing it for women. He’s doing it to skewer Labour for votes.

All Labour need to do is make a firm statement of their own, agreeing to support women’s rights and single sex spaces. Will they be brave enough to stare down the gender ideologists on their own party? I won’t hold my breath.

Sunak’s just said what 99% of the entire world already knows. It’s the easiest political position to adopt of all time.

That doesn’t make it good or bad, but it does make it canny: if Labour/Libs/Greens can’t follow in unequivocal terms they’ll be seen - rightly - as having been captured by what virtually everyone thinks is a peculiar lobby group.

Whether it makes any difference electorally I very much doubt, because so much else is up for argument, but it’s important in changing the atmosphere that surrounds the issue.

Hear hear. You've articulated what I feel.

I do think the transgender rights have gone too far too fast, and we haven't had time to work out what's right, wrong, and what needs a boundary.

And I am pleased that someone is listening to women.

But if this is just a dog whistle to bigots like my dad who are homophobic, misogynistic and racist into the bargain, they can keep their common sense to themselves.😞

No one’s denying the rights of women but I think the poor, vulnerable, women, disabled etc have all very much been wilfully neglected by this shower, how many thousands of them died in the Covid fiasco ? Or don’t they count ?

He is not keeping anything dry, Starner is up to his neck in donations from trans activists. It’s called a rock and a hard place with zero wiggle. 51% of the electorate or 1% trans donors.

@Lastchancechica Just having a look at the draft policy 2023 - there's a lot on cutting household bills, investing in green energy and cutting sewage pollution. It's long, but perhaps I'll let you know which other issues they address which I raised.