How do we find a middle ground?

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How do we find a place where it’s ok to say we believe their are transsexual people (in my lifetime it’s always been around and as far as I am aware not particularly fought against/prevented people accessing services/given equal rights) generally these people (who I totally support and would advocate for) appeared to me to want to go under the radar and just live their lives. I’d have NO issues sharing a bathroom with these people.

What shifted? Why is it now a case that we are bullied into accepting a man (with a beard who in every way looks and acts like a man) as a woman?

I thought in the 90s we accepted that what you wear, your hobbies, who you slept with and career choice did not define you. I was never girlie, wore boys jeans but at no point did I think I was a boy or prevented progressing my life.

We now have men that define themselves as women by going backwards in stereotypes, basically the clothes define the man.

The levels of irony baffle me ‘sex doesn’t exist, but if I wear heels I’m a woman’ ‘don’t assume or judge, but if you don’t assume correctly I’ll punch you’ and my favourite ‘I’m a non-binary lesbian’

The ironic thing is (and sorry if this offends anyone) I never coined myself as a feminist. I genuinely thought the previous amazing women had won the war, I earned equally or out earned my male counterparts, I never felt being a women provided me different opportunities to my brother, if anything maybe a tiny advantage.

But now I feel that all that has been pointless and at 41 I’ve become a feminist because I NEED too. Is this not such a rewind in society. I was genuinely a little nervous today at taking a book to the counter (material girls) a bloody (amazing) book, but a book.

How do we rationalise this?

Sorry for the long post but I am genuinely lost at the next steps to take.

Yeah. You are right.

You have nowhere to go but to attack my typos.

100 GIRLS AND WOMEN ARE ACCEPTABLE COLLATERAL TO BE SEXUALLY HARMED EACH YEAR UNTIL SOCIETY SHOULD BAN ALL MALES FROM FEMALE SINGLE SEX SPACES!

i find your fetish talk creepy. You’re obsessed with middle aged men with supposed paraphilia - weird!

Can you explain to us how we keep middle aged men with paraphilia out of women's toilets then?

Thank you!

Not only was Victoria Smith's article worth a re-read per se, but various lines within it seem particularly appropriate for this thread.

I'd congratulate her for her prescience, but I think it's just a marker of how repetitive trans activists are.

You’ve made scores of posts on this board over the years mentioning fetishes. I’d ask yourself why are you so obsessed with fetishes? It’s not healthy.

You have a fetish obsession. Im
sorry.

i find your fetish talk creepy. You’re obsessed with middle aged men with supposed paraphilia - weird!

Seriously, if you're not a 12 year old school boy, get help.

And the one with the sword? And the one taking selfies while asking how he helps little girls insert tampons? And the ones rummaging through the san pro bins salivating for a hot wet tampon to shove up their bums? And the ones filming themselves wanking with the cubicle doors open?

You can crack on identifying as living in a reality where this doesn't happen - I can identify as living in a reality where I'm a Vulcan Elf tattoo artist with the power of flight - but mental health is the capacity to handle reality as it is, and all this stuff is put by said men on social media. It's right there for all to see, like the sword and the erections, being boasted about.

And even if they were all, every single one, lovely delightful men not seeking to use the space for sexual thrills and exploitation of women, as they walk in, some women have to walk out because they cannot share space with ANY MALE. Regardless of whether this upsets the said male in reminding of reality he would prefer to identify out of. Not all women have the luxury of being able to indulge, and while you may be perfectly happy to see women with protected characteristics excluded from anything at all so that men can have their preferred happy best life choice, that is not sane, is it? I'm sorry if you feel this bit sucks, but those women are human too and equals to those men.

Third spaces. Have all the third spaces you want. Do what you want in there, have a lovely time. That meets all needs equally.

Time for another reminder!

I'd congratulate her for her prescience, but I think it's just a marker of how repetitive trans activists are.

They really are. There's not an original thought amongst them. Even this latest, oh my God you're so creepy about fetishisation, is all par.

it always degenerates.

Then comes the abuse. Then the flounce. (Or banning)

ummm.... who is talking about middle aged men?

Honestly your posts are really very enlightening.

I find your blatant and obvious disregard for women and girls horrific. That you tell women that male people are lesbians if that male person declares it so is homophobic. You have used numerous examples that are agist, homophobic, racist and ableist but most are misogynistic on a feminist forum.

And you seem to know nothing about safeguarding and what people who care about safeguarding need to know.

You are now attempting DARVO. There is no end to your pivots and twists.

Please do keep posting though. Because it is keeping reader's eyes on this thread and on this board.

I fully agree!

When have I been racist?

@GodessOfThunder How do we keep middle aged men with paraphilias out of women's toilets, please?

If we are supposed to let middle aged post op trans women in, how do we keep the middle aged men with paraphilias out?

You used women's facial tattoos as an example of what would 'scare' children.

ie. That can be seen as being a racist statement. I am sure that you realise that.

In plain sight.

That’s hilarious.

How is that a racist statement?

ever heard of Aotearoa?

It is culturally insensitive.

You really don't see how warped your statements have been, do you?

Do you think that your quips and your 'whatabouts' have been some kind of clever interaction? They certainly will bring clarity to reader's minds I am sure.

Hilaire.

You guys haven’t got a clue

Why is it culturally insensitive? Or do you mean racist? Do you know what these terms mean?

This is going to be good ;)

I cannot believe that they have not Dean. I think they just didn't care because they could politicise it.

Along with people with DSDs, lesbians and all the other fuckwittery.

I can believe it actually, the stupid is very strong in that one.

Racist also in disregarding the cultural needs of some women to not be in a space with non-family member males when they are in a state of undress (or even to be alone with them, as might well happen in a female toilet with cubicles. They need to know there are no men there. Muslim and orthodox Jewish women have already been forced to vacate the swimming ponds on Hampstead Heath for this reason. If you can't see how racist that is, @GodessOfThunder, you're even less perceptive than your earlier posts have shown.

lol - Muslims aren’t a “race”

This is also true.

And also very clear.

Hilarious!