How do we find a middle ground?

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How do we find a place where it’s ok to say we believe their are transsexual people (in my lifetime it’s always been around and as far as I am aware not particularly fought against/prevented people accessing services/given equal rights) generally these people (who I totally support and would advocate for) appeared to me to want to go under the radar and just live their lives. I’d have NO issues sharing a bathroom with these people.

What shifted? Why is it now a case that we are bullied into accepting a man (with a beard who in every way looks and acts like a man) as a woman?

I thought in the 90s we accepted that what you wear, your hobbies, who you slept with and career choice did not define you. I was never girlie, wore boys jeans but at no point did I think I was a boy or prevented progressing my life.

We now have men that define themselves as women by going backwards in stereotypes, basically the clothes define the man.

The levels of irony baffle me ‘sex doesn’t exist, but if I wear heels I’m a woman’ ‘don’t assume or judge, but if you don’t assume correctly I’ll punch you’ and my favourite ‘I’m a non-binary lesbian’

The ironic thing is (and sorry if this offends anyone) I never coined myself as a feminist. I genuinely thought the previous amazing women had won the war, I earned equally or out earned my male counterparts, I never felt being a women provided me different opportunities to my brother, if anything maybe a tiny advantage.

But now I feel that all that has been pointless and at 41 I’ve become a feminist because I NEED too. Is this not such a rewind in society. I was genuinely a little nervous today at taking a book to the counter (material girls) a bloody (amazing) book, but a book.

How do we rationalise this?

Sorry for the long post but I am genuinely lost at the next steps to take.

I think I love you, @DeanElderberry !

I don't believe that the Pissed Off protestors were arrested. These days if you say you are doing it for political publicity you seem to not receive any penalty at all. Even for encouraging VAWAG.

I guess the police were too busy arresting feminists in connection with stickers, that day?

Oppressed and marginalised, my arse.

I have to admit that I am very impressed by those vertical barrel rolling skills.

By the way readers, if you are still undecided about middle ground, maybe consider the mind that thinks that this style of protesting is a great idea (the Pissed Off ones) would also be the ones you might be thinking should get access to female single sex spaces?

And then, can I ask you to think of which women's protests about this particular topic, that is prioritising women's and girl's rights where sex matters above male people's demands, are comparative to this protest?

They actually repeated it some time later, by the way. Because obviously the first time around was very very exciting for them.

What about it wims? Is this poster any different from the shit fetish posters that we have seen pop up on MN sometimes that MN warns us not to engage with?

It’s actually an IRA reference ;)

I think most people are aware of the dirty protests of H block. If they are of a certain age. But thanks for the history lesson.

So what.

You are the person who is referring to these protests. No one else did before you introduced it.

This is just like the 'chopped off dicks' reference that you tried to accuse others of bringing into the thread. No, that was you.

There is a pattern here that many of us are picking up.

You are also missing the point.

About how there are some males out there who have particular fetishes and they are very up front and public about them. But hey.... don't let ignorance stand in your way of feeling you have posted yet another fabulous zinger of a 'gotcha'.

Hellofa clearly wasn’t

You’re in a muddle

Just going to repost this.

Because now we have moved onto fetishes about excrement. Introduced by this poster no less.

No boundaries.

Basically he's here to troll. My only reason for reading the thread is to keep reading the well-phrased pushbacks.

When I first got interested in this topic it was because (having always been a left-wing progressive type) I thought I must be missing something somewhere in order not to agree that TWAW. I have yet to find any argument that persuades me that TWAW, and I have gone way past "be kind" and straight into TERF.

Nope. You started talking about shit. You have been talking shit for days, but you actually introduced a post about a fantasy about it.

You then mentioned 'dirty protests'. I am in no muddle. It is not new and it is not new either for trans people to be using excrement protests.

You are the one who really seems to be ill informed in every post, but even here talking shit.

They've already done that. You seem remarkably well informed.

Unfortunately, so are we.

You’re obsessed with seeing fetishes everywhere. That in itself is a fetish. Blanchard would be interested in you no doubt.

What's next on the list? The Tolpuddle Martyrs?

ahh.. yes... a mention of Blanchard. A sign that you have read some things.

Please do keep all this information coming because these one or two sentence posts are definitely showing readers a great deal about you and your motivations.

No. You were the one who brought in protests where people smeared shit and pissed in protest. YOU. No one else.

Your accusations are as meaningless as your other contributions. Keep up.

Lol, that'll be the day !

You’ve made scores of posts on this board over the years mentioning fetishes. I’d ask yourself why are you so obsessed with fetishes? It’s not healthy.

And you know.... fetishes are a huge part of some male people's lives.

Some of those male people seek access to female toilets. You seem to be all for advocating for those male people to access female toilets. You even put a number on how many girls and women should be allowed to be harmed at a minimum each fucking year until a trend is established.. what was that now?

100 GIRL'S AND WOMEN ARE ACCEPTABLE COLLATERAL TO BE SEXUALLY HARMED EACH YEAR UNTIL SOCIETY SHOULD BAN ALL MALES FROM FEMALE SINGLE SEX SPACES!

That was you, wasn't it?

You have a fetish obsession. Im
sorry.

At least get your spelling in order with the big letters thing.

You seem to have an obsession with males with no dicks, and telling women that males are lesbians if they say they are.

I have no fetish obsession, I am though conscious that some men do, as I said. And some of them will be in the ones you want to shame women into accepting into female toilets. You are the one who wants lower safeguarding for girls and women.

You are the person who declared that at least 100 girls and women are acceptable to be sexually abused each year until society finally bans all males from female single sex spaces.

Having knowledge about a topic when it relates to safeguarding is you know..... actually understanding safeguarding.

But hey.... you do you!