How do we find a middle ground?

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How do we find a place where it’s ok to say we believe their are transsexual people (in my lifetime it’s always been around and as far as I am aware not particularly fought against/prevented people accessing services/given equal rights) generally these people (who I totally support and would advocate for) appeared to me to want to go under the radar and just live their lives. I’d have NO issues sharing a bathroom with these people.

What shifted? Why is it now a case that we are bullied into accepting a man (with a beard who in every way looks and acts like a man) as a woman?

I thought in the 90s we accepted that what you wear, your hobbies, who you slept with and career choice did not define you. I was never girlie, wore boys jeans but at no point did I think I was a boy or prevented progressing my life.

We now have men that define themselves as women by going backwards in stereotypes, basically the clothes define the man.

The levels of irony baffle me ‘sex doesn’t exist, but if I wear heels I’m a woman’ ‘don’t assume or judge, but if you don’t assume correctly I’ll punch you’ and my favourite ‘I’m a non-binary lesbian’

The ironic thing is (and sorry if this offends anyone) I never coined myself as a feminist. I genuinely thought the previous amazing women had won the war, I earned equally or out earned my male counterparts, I never felt being a women provided me different opportunities to my brother, if anything maybe a tiny advantage.

But now I feel that all that has been pointless and at 41 I’ve become a feminist because I NEED too. Is this not such a rewind in society. I was genuinely a little nervous today at taking a book to the counter (material girls) a bloody (amazing) book, but a book.

How do we rationalise this?

Sorry for the long post but I am genuinely lost at the next steps to take.

so you can’t define dignity or explain why anyone should agree that it matters

Neither does gender identity, gendered souls or 'feeling like a women'

Yet laws have been written and 'gone beyond' in the name of these concepts.

Anyone who says that women are worth sacrificing to 'minor sexual offences' to preserve the demands of transwomen doesn't get to lecture me in what dignity is or isn't.

Well, TW tell us that it is very undignified for them to use the correct sex spaces for them, male in case you were wondering, so if dignity is not objective and is being dismissed when it comes to women, we can dismiss it when it comes to TW using the correct sex spaces (male). Good glad to have that cleared up, so far we've debunked the myth about safety of TW in males spaces, they are perfectly safe in there and now we can debunk the dignity argument courtesy of you, so what's next?

Just in case you missed it an answer would be good.

@GodessOfThunder
No males in women's toilets, changing rooms, prisons, hospital wards or anywhere else that should be single sex.

No males mean none. Whether they are pre, post or during op(s) to trans them. They will NEVER become a woman.

No guard or checks or permits needed at doorways. No calipers or tape measures required.

Our answer is NO.

Is that clear enough even for you?

Missed what?

The question at the end.

Take that up with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

There's been several posts pointing out the things you conveniently skip over and ignore

It's just willful deliberate blindness and fake innocence to say 'missed what?'.

Try reading.

What is post op bods provided evidence they had no penis? Visually.

If you don't think human dignity matters, you've placed yourself in opposition to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948 and all the human rights legislation that derives from it.

You may wish to think about what kind of company you're keeping here.

Or not. What's the term most in vogue for this type of behaviour? "Alt-right"? "Fascist"?

What is post op bods provided evidence they had no penis? Visually.

Still no.

Are you having trouble with comprehension? No males means no males, none, zero, not one, irrespective of what cosmetic, chemical or surgical alterations they have made to their bodies it is still NO.

lol - almost all alt-right bods are GC

100 women, injured, physically and psychologically, some of whom will have their lives destroyed by it, so that male people can live life without boundaries.

Are you out of your fucking mind? What is the matter with you? Seriously?

Shall we draw lots? Are you offering yourself and your daughters up for this fate for your Greater Good? Will you tell your raped daughter that her destroyed life and ptsd and possibly injuries that destroy her chance of children is all worth it because she's made men happy?

Third spaces please. Then you and the other women consenting to risk this and be those 100 can crack on. And you can leave the rest of us alone.

eh? What is perverting me?

I don't know perhaps you can answer that, or not as you seem incapable of answering anything. Perhaps you could try engaging your brain that usually works.

You certainly like yelling that on threads, as we have previously seen.

But "alt-right" is just a random mouth-noise to you, isn't it? You certainly have no appreciation or belief in such liberal touchstones like international human rights legislation. In fact, I doubt you have even any barebones familiarity with the philosophical concepts; if you had, you would never have incriminated yourself so badly by attacking the validity of human dignity.

I'm sure you identify as liberal though.

Good grief.

This is batshit on crack.

The only one making up and posting shit on here is you Godess, it's certainly enlightening but not in the way you would want it to be, keep shining the light on yourself and Gender Ideologist like you.

I don’t think dignity is an especially potent concept, UN-related or not.

your verbal violence against trans bodies.

Please quote where anyone has done this. We like evidence here.

Oh....and NO to any kind of male bods in women's single sex spaces.

In case you didn't see it ... NO.