Trans: the new ideology of the ruling class (article)

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class/

When a big muscly dude with a beard walks into a women’s toilet, the surprised reactions are not in that guy’s head. You don’t want him in there, it’s strange for him to be there.

I think you need to be a bit more honest about what you want. You don’t want these people to be transgender at all.

No, we don't want a big muscly bloke in there, but all he has to do now is claim to be a woman and there is nothing we can do about it.

What an odd comment.

What does that even mean, I don't want them to "be transgender"?

Are you 12? There's a nuanced discussion going on and this is your contribution?

You are the one calling him a woman. You are saying that you want him in there, but I do not believe you. You want him to not exist in public.

Trans identifying males are not nicer than any other men. They don't deserve special treatment any more than other men.

Where they pee with out shopping is not a problem for women to solve.

Well, where does he go? Where would you be happy seeing him?

I am happy for male people to exist anywhere they like except in single sex spaces for female people.

Not sure what's so controversial about that.

I couldn't care less what people wear or how they present, although I would rather male people didn't call themselves women if I'm honest.

You don’t want a trans man in the women’s toilet and you don’t think he belongs in the men’s. Where can he exist?

You are not understanding. I was describing a transgender man who was born female. You don’t want him in the women’s toilet, you said so yourself, you would be unhappy to see him there.

You can keep repeating that like a matra but I would rather have a transman in the toilets with me than a trans woman.

I am quite happy for trans men to use the women's toilets unless they really do pass so convincingly that they actually look like men, which most of them don't.

If they actually look like men then they can use the men's and no one will be any the wiser I guess.

Where trans men pee isn't actually a burning issue for most people since trans men aren't a threat to either women or men.

No, I don't want male people in the women's toilets.

Someone who was born female still is female.

How on earth would you know? You would just see a big muscly man with a beard.

Indeed. Had the countless trans lobby groups spent some of their millions of £££ lobbying for third spaces from the outset we wouldn't be in this mess. Sadly their approach was to insist that women must be available to validate men who claim to be women & to upend the social contract rather than respecting the rights of others.

But you would not be able to tell the difference between him and any other man.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think we can't easily tell what sex people are 99.9% of the time.

As the pp said. They are of no threat to men or women so toilet choice isn't that important. Most people don't want to unintentionally scare or intimidate people though so...

Oh please, transmen are only convincing from the neck up.

Apart from all the clues that humans have used for centuries to identify people of either sex. Even when disguised.

I am thinking of my friend in particular. You cannot tell, and he is huge.

Well then no one will care if your friend uses the men's then, will they?

You’re hanging out with some particularly scrawny, hairless trans men then.

Awesome! Great to hear. Not really sex based then, is it?