Trans: the new ideology of the ruling class (article)

[PorcelinaV]

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class/

Well let me address:

If your hatred has no influence then it's irrelevant

For example, racist hatred between different minority groups, certainly has an important influence, regardless of whether one group is in a position of political power over the other.

Does it though? For example, aboriginal people in Australia would certainly be justified in hating the white people who stole their country. The majority of them now live in terrible conditions and are not in any position to affect the white ruling class in Australia. Would they be wrong to feel dislike towards white people?

Is this the correct thread for talking about anything other than the OP and the article in Spiked?

Trans: the new ideology of the ruling class
How trans activists became the footsoldiers of the boss regime.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/09/25/trans-the-new-ideology-of-the-ruling-class/

Just asking because there are quite a few things I would like to get off my chest but I wouldn't want to interrupt and derail if I am in the wrong place.

Wrong thread, sorry.

As far as I can ascertain from this toilet debate,, is the apparent belief that trans people (male or female) should be able to use any public womens toilets whenever the apparently overwhelming urge to pee strikes them. There does not appear to be any such debate over the right to access public mens toilets, or even a campaign for separate trans toilets to be constructed. What is it about the womens toilets in particular that is so coveted?

With both the Gents and The Ladies what seems to be the attraction is the presence of members of the opposite sex, as "validation" of the "gender" of the interloper.

There have been reports of young teenage females with "edgy haircuts" causing embarrassment to men by standing next to them at the urinals and peeing through a "Shewee" inserted through their flies.

However, men are unlikely to at risk of anything worse than embarrassment, so there is less concern than the incursion of males into The Ladies.

Mixed-sex "Third Spaces" lack the attraction of the "validation" because anyone can use them.

However, it is notable that several prominent campaigners for "gender neutral toilets" (ie. mixed sex) are heterosexual males who have gone on to be convicted of sexual offences against women and children, so the motivation there is obviously different.

Exactly - strangely this aspect of the argument always seems to remain unaddressed......

I know I know.
It's because we go in there to share make up and lipstick and maybe all get naked and have a pillow fight. With any stranger we see of course.

Oh yes and we all help each other insert tampons, sorry forgot that one.

Well this is the "Feminism Women's Rights" Board so you would expect the people posting here to be predominantly women who are concerned about women's rights.

You might have more luck finding men concerned about incursions into The Gents by looking elsewhere.

And yet someone desperate to advocate for the freedom to access women's toilets always seems to pop up here! Funny how a direct challenge to their world view does not draw them out, but sends them scuttling back to the shadows where they belong....

Deliberately excluding trans women from this tampon and lipstick extravaganza, just one of the many ways women cruelly torture men

Apologies if I misunderstood. I thought you were concerned about the absence of consideration of the impact on men of females accessing The Gents. I was going to suggest trying https://www.thedadsnet.com/ - although I can't actually recommend it as the Forum is only visible to members and I am not a member.

I'll be honest I was not aware of a recent issue concerning women invading male only spaces, however I firmly believe both men and women are entitled to their own space as separated by biological sex.

I am a man. I've never come across this, although I'm sure it does happen occasionally. I can't imagine it would cause any problems. Reminded me of times, years ago, seeing women at festivals and such going in the men's cos of massive queues for the women (yeah, I know), and getting a cheer (for putting up with the stink), but being treated fine. But the point is, there really isn't any equivalence, is there? Women (occasionally) going into men's spaces is not the same thing at all as men wanting to access women's spaces. It's never about transmen, is it? Or women.

What is it about the womens toilets in particular that is so coveted?

The women in them.

The women are the resource.

Yep. They're clueless. And they show themselves up every time.

I haven’t yet read the whole thing but I popped back to the thread to say that I liked the point he made about HR.

I have noticed something in recent years about increased readiness from certain individuals to weaponise official processes. It goes something like:

Enter a new arena, such as a university, professional field, political party or employer.

Realise that they are just one of many and don’t particularly stand out from others, despite what they see as their unique perspective and experience. Their unique characteristics are acknowledged but not centred. Not be happy about this.

Perform at a reasonable but not outstanding level. Decide that the success and recognition achieved by others must be due to their ‘privilege’.

Take offence at something and file an official complaint, bringing into play their protected characteristics. This complaint will probably happen even sooner if their performance is poor.

Take that complaint to the highest possible level and publicise it relentlessly. Gather support, status and become a ‘speaker’ for their cause.

Regardless of outcome, leverage their new experience into influence, opportunity and content.